[FRIAM] health care logistics

Steve Smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Tue Jan 25 13:25:12 EST 2022


On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters?

Top hit on my google...  not sure if US is very different from AU:

https://www.chicken.org.au/are-meat-chickens-male-or-female/

> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>     We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many
>     of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken
>     come from).
>
>     We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to
>     the larger conversation here...
>
>     On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>>     Never too late, Merle.
>>
>>>     On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff
>>>     <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Yes, they should have drowned the boys.
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly
>>>     <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>         But
>>>
>>>         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century
>>>
>>>         ---
>>>         Frank C. Wimberly
>>>         140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>         Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>>         505 670-9918
>>>         Santa Fe, NM
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff
>>>         <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dave is right.  Development experts have known for a
>>>             long time that when girls get educated and women hold
>>>             jobs outside the home they are much more likely to
>>>             control childbearing.  However, the culture must change
>>>             everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of
>>>             pushback.  Check out the new protest and direct action
>>>             movement that's happening with young men demonstrating
>>>             in the streets in S. Korea.  ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist
>>>             Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.)
>>>
>>>             On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West
>>>             <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 It has been known for a long time that the most
>>>                 effective means of birth / population control was
>>>                 educating girls, followed closely by empowering
>>>                 girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I
>>>                 remember studying this topic way back in the 80s in
>>>                 my anthropology graduate program.
>>>
>>>                 davew
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>                 Merle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 < China's population has stopped growing--primarily
>>>>                 because there are more urban educated workers,
>>>>                 especially women. >
>>>>
>>>>                 Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest
>>>>                 potential reduction for CO2 drawdown came from
>>>>                 educating girls.  His reference was:
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
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>>>>
>>>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                 *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf
>>>>                 of Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>>>>                 *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
>>>>                 *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
>>>>                 Group <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>
>>>>                 China's population has stopped growing--primarily
>>>>                 because there are more urban educated workers,
>>>>                 especially women.
>>>>
>>>>                 On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly
>>>>                 <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Excellent, Marcus.
>>>>
>>>>                     Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have
>>>>                     be significant.  Two problems, "God" has tricks
>>>>                     for making babies.  As for 1 child per couple
>>>>                     didn't they "terminate" some babies (not
>>>>                     fetuses, feti?), particularly females?  My
>>>>                     impression is that their population has grown
>>>>                     substantially notwithstanding those policies.
>>>>
>>>>                     Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     ---
>>>>                     Frank C. Wimberly
>>>>                     140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>>>                     Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>
>>>>                     505 670-9918
>>>>                     Santa Fe, NM
>>>>
>>>>                     On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels
>>>>                     <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                         Before I launch into a diatribe about why
>>>>                         the hell we can't agree to basic, never
>>>>                         mind interesting things:   I'd just like to
>>>>                         report that the James Webb telescope is in
>>>>                         L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating,
>>>>                         patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists
>>>>                         and their counterparts in government.
>>>>
>>>>                         Marcus
>>>>
>>>>                         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                         *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com>
>>>>                         on behalf of David Eric Smith
>>>>                         <desmith at santafe.edu>
>>>>                         *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
>>>>                         *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
>>>>                         Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>                         *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>
>>>>                         You know, as I read your characterization,
>>>>                         Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s
>>>>                         description of feudal Europe and the role
>>>>                         of the Rothschilds and other big Jewish
>>>>                         quasi-stateless fixer families in relation
>>>>                         to the feudal lords.  Fussy and indirect
>>>>                         seems somehow very close to the right
>>>>                         picture of the stateless ones navigating
>>>>                         always through the cracks and seams,
>>>>                         compared to the blunt moves of the ones who
>>>>                         had states.
>>>>
>>>>                         I have some discomfort that this doesn’t
>>>>                         quite map.  Yet it seems not fully dissimilar.
>>>>
>>>>                         Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>                         On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus
>>>>>                         Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                         SFI sponsorship seems like very much a
>>>>>                         fideistic declaration.  It would be
>>>>>                         interesting to see how that influence
>>>>>                         network feeds into a D.C. influencer
>>>>>                         network and real money.  There are some
>>>>>                         linkages, like Brookings, but
>>>>>                         leverage-wise it all seems much softer
>>>>>                         than with LANL and the DOE.  And it all
>>>>>                         seems so fussy and indirect compared to
>>>>>                         slapping down a few billion dollars to
>>>>>                         build a Starship. That's the appeal of
>>>>>                         Musk:  I'm f'ing doing this.
>>>>>
>>>>>                         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>                         *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com>
>>>>>                         on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
>>>>>                         *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
>>>>>                         *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>>>>>                         *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Well, that ain't true, either. Like
>>>>>                         Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or
>>>>>                         people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton,
>>>>>                         you're simply transferring from one store
>>>>>                         to another ... buying influence. If, e.g.,
>>>>>                         the CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a
>>>>>                         CAS modeling tool into a broad spectrum
>>>>>                         simulation tool, they are not only buying
>>>>>                         a (questionable) piece of software;
>>>>>                         they're buying *leverage* over people's
>>>>>                         salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs
>>>>>                         *will* see that money again, perhaps much
>>>>>                         less of it, depending on the efficiency of
>>>>>                         the transaction, or in fringe storage
>>>>>                         types (able to get past the receptionist
>>>>>                         after eating over-priced peri-Mexican food
>>>>>                         in order to have tea with smart people).
>>>>>
>>>>>                         On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>>                         > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness'
>>>>>                         sake!  They'll never see THAT money again!
>>>>>                         -- 
>>>>>                         glen
>>>>>                         Theorem 3. There exists a double master
>>>>>                         function.
>>>>>
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>>>>                 Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>             Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
>>>             Center for Emergent Diplomacy
>>>             emergentdiplomacy.org
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>>>             Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
>>>
>>>             mobile:  (303) 859-5609
>>>             skype:  merle.lelfkoff2
>>>             twitter: @merle110
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>         ..- --. .- - .
>>>         FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
>>>     Center for Emergent Diplomacy
>>>     emergentdiplomacy.org
>>>     <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2femergentdiplomacy.org&c=E,1,c73WoibuCIpF8IwGRMKwChtpKZ5mmxuJeae2c_wrNe7k9_fSuM4rHUCKLdNfxGyrCqlb9u0-30GiamaNgw0Gf23kM1KiGYHOS3WuQzGM33hmCtDXL8V0FSU,&typo=1>
>>>     Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
>>>
>>>     mobile:  (303) 859-5609
>>>     skype:  merle.lelfkoff2
>>>     twitter: @merle110
>>>
>>>
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>>     FRIAM-COMIChttp://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
>>     archives:
>>       5/2017 thru presenthttps://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/
>>       1/2003 thru 6/2021http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
>
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