[FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

[glen]

I agree nearly completely with your last 3 posts. 8^D I'm glad you decided to add more refined text.

But I don't think there need not be herds or herding. I do think the herding (whether directed or natural, explicit or implicit) comes in types or classes. Over the top of that, there are preferences for herding. What I'd like to see in both government and industry (and everywhere) is more attention paid to the types of herding being used and a lot more *transparency* into the methods used to choose the type of herding. As we've pointed out somewhere in this thread, the herding that makes us cheer renewable energy is a little good, but also a little delusional ... like the kid at the fast food place upset they use plastic straws.

E.g. Biden's following Trump's lead and doling out the hospital funds to pharma companies, Musk's pursuit of electric semi's, our hemhawing about the 2014 regime change in Ukraine, etc. Such shepherding seems flawed to me. And we can't improve that shepherding unless we pay attention to it and experimentally measure, tweak, measure it. That requires shepherding a little more refined than smoking dope on Rogan's show and tweeting.

On 1/28/22 10:45, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I think Rogan and Young are representative agents.  They are of course individuals and celebrities, but they mirror something like an eigenvector in a space of values and to some extent cognitive ability.   The tantalizing thing about a Trump is that he is just a guy that has tested a message on big audiences to find slogans that work.  The slogans then take on a life of their own like we see with anti-vaxxers diverging from Trump's narcissism about leading the Warp speed vaccine project.   Of COURSE, Trump has ZERO to do with the maturation of the mRNA vaccine idea.   But there are morons that believe that, and it is informative to use these representative agents to estimate how many morons there are of one sort or another.  DLU kind of got at this idea a little.   Now we have the means to identify the herds, but apparently poor tools for effectively herding.  I suspect what Glen believes is that there need not be herds nor herding.   If I were herding, of course, I'd look 
> for a cliff.  But that's just me.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 11:28 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi
> This is where Marcus' Musk-as-philosopher-king goes astray. It's on display clearly with the recent kerfuffle between Joe Rogan and Neal Young. Although Rogan gives lip service to skepticism, open-mindedness, etc. what his celebrity actually does is promote faith-based decision making, much the same way we think of other influencers (whether by their billionaire status or media reach or whatever) as forces of nature. They're definitely not forces of nature. They're successful con artists. That's what the "con" in "con artist" means ... misplaced confidence.
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> On 1/28/22 09:46, Steve Smith wrote:
>> it IS my place to join Citizens of the (community, county, shire, state, nation-state, earth) to discuss and consider what could/should be treated as "the commons" and how therefore we manage them (or more relevantly, how we decide how to shape the landscape  of forces that effectively manage/regulate/define them)...   emergent, collective phenomena ultimately dominate, no matter what the myriad stripes of linear conspiracy theorists may try to demonstrate.


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glen
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