[FRIAM] war footing
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Wed Mar 2 18:24:24 EST 2022
A few years ago Glen busted me for invoking the "enlightened
self-interest" trope. I think it still holds in spite of his not-wrong
point about "self is an illusion". I think that the refugee crisis
expansion with Ukraine as the latest wave either helps us understand how
important Marcus' points are and/or confronts the stories I'm already
hearing about the Ukrainian refugees "displacing" others from less
"European" sources.
On 3/2/22 2:01 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Mrcus --
>
> Sorry, that comment was directed to the thread as a whole after
> reading through it in a doctors waiting room. The quip was shared in
> haste as my turn was called because it was too good to let pass. It
> didn't mean to apply to your comment directly.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:29 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
> Let me put it another way. Even if one takes the view that the
> only goal in life is to be better off than the other guy, it is
> important to recognize the consequences of things and factor that
> into a plan. Because if one doesn’t, then being better off than
> the other guy may not be sustainable.
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger
> Critchlow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2022 11:22 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] war footing
>
> Which part of 'not being able to do things for the "right"
> reasons' do you not comprehend?
>
> --rec --
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022, 1:06 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone that has worked for a large company has probably
> experienced regular teleconferences with colleagues in
> different countries.
>
> It soon becomes clear that there is an unbelievable variance
> in salaries. Yes, some of it just adjusts for cost of
> living. U.S. leads the world, except perhaps for
> Switzerland. Then there are countries like India which have
> a massive workforce but get paid next to nothing. On one
> hand globalization leads to exploitation of vulnerable
> populations, but on the other hand it leads to raised
> expectations over time.
>
> My point is that a UBI (or reparations) in the U.S. would
> reduce conflict within this country, but it won’t address the
> potential international productivity crisis that is coming.
> If the U.S. doesn’t support raising the standard of living for
> people throughout the world, at some point we will suffer for
> it because we are too expensive. (And really everyone is at
> risk from automation sooner or later.) Our privilege
> shouldn’t be jealously guarded, as the nativists argue, it
> should be shared to lower the potential violence that could
> occur if we are seen as a bad guy like Putin. Trump was just
> a dumb and incompetent version of Putin.
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Gillian Densmore
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2022 9:38 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] war footing
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> For cars Hydrogen, compressed air, mixed with electric. On
> paper (or plugged into a wall) is pretty cool as an idea...if
> we can, ya know, guild recharge stations similarly to how we
> build gas stations.
>
> Pardon the interruption though. But it's all fine and good to
> be perplexed, or triggered or what ever by Russia and the
> (former) eastern block. Going postal....
>
> Any plans to put the same energy into fixing super hard
> problems at home? I hear that a lot of people are one paycheck
> from being homeless. and no one's going out to lobby the
> &&&&&&&& out of a Weekly allowance aka UBI.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:32 AM Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
> One option is mixing hydrogen with natural gas to reduce
> how much needs to be imported. IMO there’s nothing that
> motivates progress in technology than having a working
> production system that can be made incrementally better
> (e.g. the 20 TB hard drives one can buy these days). A
> production ITER type system is still a long way off.
> Note that Germany has its own Stellarator platform that
> perhaps they could accelerate.
>
> https://www.offshore-energy.biz/germany-to-break-free-from-russian-gas-with-two-lng-terminals/
>
> https://www.engie.com/en/businesses/gas/hydrogen/power-to-gas/the-grhyd-demonstration-project
>
> https://www.ipp.mpg.de/5125328/05_21?c=14226
>
> Yes, time to abandon that gas station.
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Roger Critchlow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2022 9:08 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <Friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] war footing
>
> I'm thinking that a way to escalate our response to Putin,
> without actually fighting him, is to build a "green war
> machine". Start a crash project to research, develop, and
> deliver the technology to liberate our european allies
> from their energy dependencies on russian oil and gas. And
> everyone else as a side effect.
>
> That this is all stuff that we *cough* should be doing
> anyway is bonus content. But what we can't seem to do for
> the "right" reasons might be easily done as a way to
> thwart an enemy who is so successfully making himself the
> most reviled man of our age.
>
> Longer term, the economic effects of the sanctions, the
> social effects of the ukrainian refugee crisis, and the
> demoralization of watching brute force in action are going
> to hurt our side a lot. That may be Putin's actual
> endgame for the "operation" while he pretends to be Trump.
> Better to be doing something positive than to be waiting
> around to see how it turns out.
>
> -- rec --
>
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