[FRIAM] high school education

[Gillian Densmore]

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Just reading what you said dave my brain hurts.  Sigh I heart Hastur the
King in yellow.

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 5:18 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> How about let kids do their social stuff until they are ready to do
> something else?
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just completed two weeks as a substitute teacher in a high-school
> business classes that are offered as advanced placement with the
> possibility of earning college credit.
> >
> > All of the students did no work, spent every minute of class on cell
> phones. About 40% added talking, walking about the room, mock fighting, and
> at one point throwing empty and partly filled plastic water bottles at each
> other. Also a few couples engaged in PDA that approached the 'get a room'
> level.
> >
> > I had no authority, and any and every attempt at imposing any kind of
> discipline, reminding them of work not done, tests not taken, was met with
> arguments and belligerence. An assistant principle came to the room, once,
> and admonished the students and informed them that only five or six
> students, out of 40, were going to pass the class. They ignored her, and
> talked over her scolding. [Essentially all of them will be given passing
> grades for the class.]
> >
> > Students have had 1-2 years of distance learning where more than 70% did
> little or no work, a little over half did not attend at all. They have
> learned that no matter how little they do or learn, they will be promoted
> anyway.
> >
> > The school system is in the fourth year of a "restorative justice"
> policy that prevents any kind of sanctions or punishments for
> misbehavior—except for bringing a gun on campus which will get you
> expelled. Teachers are limited to appealing to the student's better
> instincts. Students have learned this lesson as well, "no consequences for
> bad behavior."
> >
> > Not sure how typical my classes were—I may have been lucky enough to get
> an outlier. But the campus has armed school police and other security staff
> wandering the halls constantly, and we had 2-3 "tardy lockouts" every day
> were students were not allowed into class late. Statistics for the Clark
> County School District suggest that my experience is neither typical nor
> atypical, with a slight edge towards the typical.
> >
> > I perused the textbook for the class. In terms of breadth of content and
> difficulty of content, I would peg it at 7th or 8th grade level, not
> juniors and seniors and certainly not for college credit.
> >
> > The thought of these students 'taking over' in 20 years makes me root
> for AI and the Singularity.
> >
> > just moaning and whining
> > davew
> >
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