[FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading

Steve Smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Thu Sep 1 15:30:31 EDT 2022


On 9/1/22 11:21 AM, glen wrote:
> Inter-brain synchronization occurs without physical co-presence during 
> cooperative online gaming
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750
>
> There's a lot piled into the aggregate measures of EEG. And the mere 
> fact of the canalization conflates the unifying tendencies of the 
> objective (shared purpose) with that of the common structure (virtual 
> world, interface, body, brain). But overall, it argues against this 
> guru focus on "sense-making" (hermeneutic, monistic reification) and 
> helps argue for the fundamental plurality, openness, and stochasticity 
> of "language games".
>
> If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to 
> *work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking, 
> communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst.

I agree somewhat with the spirit of this, however a recent writer/book I 
discovered is Sand Talk 
<https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sand-talk-tyson-yunkaporta?variant=32280908103714> 
by Tyson Yunkaporta and more specifically his references to "Yarning" in 
his indigenous Australian culture offered me a complementary perspective...

I definitely agree that the "building of something together" is a 
powerful world-building/negotiating/collaborative/seeking experience.   
The social sciences use the term Boundary Object 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_object> and Boundary Negotiation 
Artifact.    Jenny and I wrote a draft white-paper on the topic of the 
SimTable as a "boundary negotiating artifact" last time she visited 
(2019?). A lot of computer-graphics/visualization products provide fill 
this role, but the physicality of a sand-table with it's tactility and 
multiple perspectives add yet more.   The soap-box racer or fort you 
build with your friend as a kid provides the same.   The bulk of my best 
relationships in life involved "building something together" whether it 
be a software system or a house...
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