[FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Wed Feb 15 23:17:27 EST 2017

Steve,

Birdsongs can be temporally fractal.  If curious, see
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/239787151_A_system_for_describing_b
ird_song_units .  

Please let me know if you can’t get at this, and I will post it another way.

By temporally fractal, I mean, for instance,
ABABABCDCDCDABABABCDCDCDABABABCDCDCDABABABCDCDCD

Is that stretching the meaning of fractal beyond the bounds of propriety?  

“Naïve” may not be the best word for what I am up to, here. 

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:06 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Nick -

This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive
questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled.   I'm very
interested in "soundscapes"  so am often very aware of both the complex
passive structure of most soundscapes (especially landscape vs urbanscape)
and the active (birdsongs, garbage trucks, wind in the willows, sirens,
ice-floes, domestic disturbances) elements.

You are likely to have a better idea than I do about whether bird's songs
are likely to be *formulated* in a more or less complex manner when in a
complex "landscape".   I would guess yes to this.    I would guess that the
three most relevant scales are roughly the scale of the bird's body, it's
food-source, and it's natural predators.   How well can it hide, how well
can it's food hide, and how well does it's predator hide.   I"m sure this is
an overly simplified model.

I think rather than fractal (literally), the more relevant concept is "with
structure at many scales".   

IN any case, welcome to Alberto!  My own daughter happens to be a researcher
in Flaviviruses, traditionally West Nile and Dingue, but now is drawn into
the Zika thing...   I look forward to hearing more from you Alberto!

 - Steve

On 2/15/17 3:57 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

Helloooo, List, 

I would like to introduce to you Alberto Alaniz (who describes himself in
the communication below).  I “met” him on Research Gate when he downloaded a
paper of mine on the structural organization of bird song.  I noticed that
he was writing from a Landscape Department, and I thought, “A landscape
person who is interested in birdsong! He must be interested in fractals!”
And I was right.  So please welcome him.  Steve please note? 

The idea of his that I particularly want to hear you discuss is his notion
that fractality (is that a word?) in one domain can effect, affect, impose?
fractality in another.  So is there a relationship between the fractality
which my research revealed in the organization of bird song and the
fractality of the landscapes on which bird behavior is deployed.  

I particularly wonder what Kim  Sorvig and Jenny Quillen and ProfDave think
about this, but also wonder if others on the list could put an oar in. 

Thanks, 

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Alberto Jose Alaniz [mailto:alberto.alaniz at ug.uchile.cl] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:21 PM
To: nthompson at clarku.edu <mailto:nthompson at clarku.edu> 
Subject: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Dear Nick

I apreciate so much your invitation, so i really intrested in participate of
your discussion group. I am a young researcher finishing my MS, and this
types of oportunities look very good for my, specially if i can interact
with other scientics. About your question, of course you can share my
oppinion, now if you want i can writte a compleate opinion in extenso, and i
will send to you tomorrow in the afternon.

My field of study is the ecologial modelling and the conservation biology,
the last year i published my firsts papers in Biological conservation and
International Journal of Epidemiology, the first one about ecosystem
conservation and the secondth is a global model of exposure risk to Zika
virus. Currently im working in ecosystems and in assessment of habitat loss
in forest specialist species (with Kathryn Sieving from University of
Florida).

Alberto  Alaniz Baeza

Lic. en Geografía, Geógrafo & Magíster (c) Áreas Silvestres y Conservación

Becario, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ambientes Fragmentados

Departamento de Ciencias Biológicas Animales, U. de Chile

Investigador, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ecosistemas

Departamento de Recursos Naturales Renovables, U. de Chile

Académico, Centro de Formación Técnica del Medio Ambiente IDMA

+56996097443

https://albertoalaniz.wordpress.com/

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