[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Frank, 

 

Isn’t that an example of itself?  

 

“This book was written about me”. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

 

Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.  Hence the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated during adolescence, say, by the kinds of things

Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about self analysis.

 

It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.  It is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic libido". Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling that they have the disorder.

 

Frank

 

 

 

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

 

On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <js at qri.us <mailto:js at qri.us> > wrote:

If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent to the NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?

-J

 

On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:

In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he decided to take revenge no matter at what cost? It starts at 2:40

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I

 

I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a little bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA (New York Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values discipline. He must have been very unhappy to be the only of 5 siblings to be there, to move from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this impersonal and strict institution.

http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12?op=1

I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and egoistic because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his personality you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13 year old that wants to be loved.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html

 

They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he wants, and from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him. Is this how a personality order can develop, too little love in childhood?

 

-J.

 

 

 

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