[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

[Frank Wimberly]

Nick,

No.  "Self" has a technical meaning in psychoanalysis.  The tiny baby
experiences the world as self-(m)other after a certain amount of separation
and individuation.  I've got to stop giving lectures on this subject.  I'm
already in over my head.

Framk

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Jan 17, 2017 3:28 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi, Frank,
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> Isn’t that an example of itself?
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> “This book was written about me”.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
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> Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.
> Hence the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated during
> adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
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> Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the
> pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about self
> analysis.
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> It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.  It
> is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic libido".
> Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling that they have
> the disorder.
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> Frank
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> Frank Wimberly
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> On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <js at qri.us> wrote:
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> If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent to
> the NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
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> -J
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> On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
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> In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump
> and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and
> didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this
> must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he
> decided to take revenge no matter at what cost? It starts at 2:40
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> https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I
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> I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a little
> bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA (New York
> Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values discipline. He must
> have been very unhappy to be the only of 5 siblings to be there, to move
> from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this impersonal and strict institution.
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> http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-
> york-military-academy-2016-12?op=1
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> I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating
> experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and egoistic
> because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his personality
> you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13 year old that wants
> to be loved.
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-
> later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/
> 2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html
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> They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little
> attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his
> parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or
> pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he wants, and
> from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him. Is this how a
> personality order can develop, too little love in childhood?
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> -J.
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