[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

[Barry MacKichan]

“You probably think this song is about you”

   — Carly Simon

--Barry


On 17 Jan 2017, at 15:28, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Hi, Frank,
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> Isn’t that an example of itself?
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> “This book was written about me”.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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>  <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
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> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank 
> Wimberly
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
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> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
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> Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of 
> life.  Hence the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated 
> during adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
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> Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the 
> pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about 
> self analysis.
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> It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly. 
>  It is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic 
> libido". Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling 
> that they have the disorder.
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> Frank
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> Frank Wimberly
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> On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <js at qri.us <mailto:js at qri.us> > 
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> If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent 
> to the NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
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> -J
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> On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
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> In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted 
> Trump and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the 
> audience and didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic 
> personality disorder this must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe 
> this was the moment where he decided to take revenge no matter at what 
> cost? It starts at 2:40
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> https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I
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> I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a 
> little bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA 
> (New York Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values 
> discipline. He must have been very unhappy to be the only of 5 
> siblings to be there, to move from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this 
> impersonal and strict institution.
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> http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12?op=1
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> I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating 
> experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and 
> egoistic because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his 
> personality you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13 
> year old that wants to be loved.
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html
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> They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little 
> attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his 
> parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or 
> pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he 
> wants, and from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him. 
> Is this how a personality order can develop, too little love in 
> childhood?
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> -J.
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