[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

[Marcus Daniels]

I could imagine something like this unfolding..


1)      Humor him, play to his ego.  Get him to set expectations about his power and to think it is easy.
Kiss the ring.


2)      Once `in’, do what is possible to seed disagreements within the administration in the hopes the conflict will exacerbate his need for social dominance to the point they begin to isolate him.



3)      Create hyperpartisanism to make government more dysfunctional and cause despair amongst the people that supported him and the Republican Congress.    Let ACA fall, allow all manner of disasters in foreign policy to accumulate.    Meanwhile, direct money into the (good) states and create even more productivity in those places while bleeding the rest dry.   Provide a Come to Jesus moment.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:33 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Nick,

No.  "Self" has a technical meaning in psychoanalysis.  The tiny baby experiences the world as self-(m)other after a certain amount of separation and individuation.  I've got to stop giving lectures on this subject.  I'm already in over my head.

Framk
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Jan 17, 2017 3:28 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net<mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>> wrote:
Hi, Frank,

Isn’t that an example of itself?

“This book was written about me”.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.  Hence the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated during adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about self analysis.

It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.  It is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic libido". Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling that they have the disorder.

Frank



Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918<tel:(505)%20670-9918>

On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <js at qri.us<mailto:js at qri.us>> wrote:

If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent to the NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?

-J

On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he decided to take revenge no matter at what cost? It starts at 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I

I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a little bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA (New York Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values discipline. He must have been very unhappy to be the only of 5 siblings to be there, to move from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this impersonal and strict institution.
http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12?op=1

I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and egoistic because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his personality you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13 year old that wants to be loved.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html

They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he wants, and from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him. Is this how a personality order can develop, too little love in childhood?

-J.




============================================================

FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College

to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove


--

Joe

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20170117/d2dbd2b7/attachment-0002.html>