[FRIAM] The Problem with the Mutation-Centric View of Cancer

[Marcus Daniels]

Glen writes:


"Non-poison therapies like stem cells or antibodies would be doubly uncertain because, at least with any poison, you'll be forcing your body to fight for life and scarce resources (ATP, sugar, ...). "


I mean to balance culling of developed/adapted cells, it would be good to have stored blueprints in a refrigerator somewhere so that the poison doesn't harm them.


"Without that fighting for for life/resources, you're really just encouraging growth(s) down whatever pathways present themselves ... probably leading to *more* cancer, not less."


Could goal-oriented growth displace `bad' growth?  I'm thinking of Lance Armstrong's remarkable return to racing, for example.   Some massive energy draw that directs resources in a good way.

Why should curtailing better than directing?   It seems counter-intuitive that a slow metabolism would be preferable to a fast one, when it comes to fighting disease.


Marcus

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Yes, absolutely chemotherapy would alter (I don't know about "reset") the micro-environments.  I think this is the essence of Longo's fasting argument. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170216103923.htm  Since chemo is essentially a targeted poison, though, you have to wonder *which* type of poison one would take preventatively?  Non-poison therapies like stem cells or antibodies would be doubly uncertain because, at least with any poison, you'll be forcing your body to fight for life and scarce resources (ATP, sugar, ...).  Without that fighting for for life/resources, you're really just encouraging growth(s) down whatever pathways present themselves ... probably leading to *more* cancer, not less.

It seems like fasting is the purest way to trick your body into eating/curtailing its most Dionysian or even goal-oriented growth(s).

On 09/04/2017 01:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Wouldn't chemotherapy also reset the the micro-environments?  Has chemotherapy ever been given to animals before they have cancer to see if it has a preventative function?
>
> Could one imagine healthy people above a certain age (esp. the Elysium 1%) getting stem cell transplantation every few years coupled to chemotherapy (or drugs that induce apoptosis)?

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