[FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
Rich Murray
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Tue Sep 19 00:06:22 EDT 2017
Within "awareness" forever, "each" of "us" has to be a unique evolving
facet of all of single creative hyperinfinity...
"As a matter of course, every soul citizen of Earth has a priority to
quickly find and positively share evidence for healthy and safe food,
drink, environment, and society."
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"Time, Space, and Knowledge: A New Vision of Reality" 1977 co-created by
Tarthang Tulku, Rinpoche, born 1934, and Steven Tainer, born 1947 -- 307
pages, concise and profound, highly original sharing of DzogChen -- other
TSK teachers: Rich Murray 2014.11.28
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2014/11/time-space-and-knowledg
e-new-vision-of.html
http://www.amazon.com/Time-Space-Knowledge-Reality-Psycholog
y/dp/0913546089#customerReviews
9 eloquent brilliant reviews, including an account of how "Time, Space, and
Knowledge: A New Vision of Reality" was co-created by Tarthang Tulku,
Rinpoche, born 1934, and a brilliant student, Steven Tainer, born 1947, at
Nyingma Institute in Berkeley, via many years of dialogue, resulting in
over 3,000 pages of transcripts, which were condensed into a 307 page text
by December 1977 -- essentially a practical pure modern innovation from
DzogChen, without any Buddhist trappings language and rituals.
[ http://www.odiyan.org/founder.html
http://www.odiyan.org/home.html huge temple complex
http://www.janhenderson.com/self/how-i-connected-with-buddhism/
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2012/06/07/retreat-centers-expan
sion-plans-provoke-concern/
12 organizations have $ 60 million assets --
"Tarthang Tulku now lives in permanent retreat at the 1,000-acre Odiyan
Retreat Center near Gualala, about 12 miles from the Ratna Ling Retreat
Center.
He no longer communicates directly with the public."
[ aside, also, search "Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche" dzogchen
born 1938, now 76, still teaching at many world centers
http://tsegyalgar.org/localcenters/tsegyalgarwest/tsegyalgarwesteven/
3,000 acre Tsegyalgar West retreat center, Los Naranjos Baja Sur, in middle
of south Baja California, about 50 miles north of the south tip -- I found
it with Google Earth a few years ago ]
http://nyingmainstitute.com/page/time-space-knowledge-tsk
PROGRAMS IN TIME, SPACE, AND KNOWLEDGE (TSK)
The Time, Space, and Knowledge vision offers a path to the growth of
knowledge, using practices specifically tailored to meet the needs of
modern society.
The Institute has a long and close association with this liberating vision.
Tarthang Tulku introduced his theory of Time, Space, and Knowledge in
seminars held at the Institute in 1976–77, and more intensively, in a
four-week program offered in the summer of 1977.
Within two months after the book, Time, Space, and Knowledge: A New Vision
of Reality, was launched at an event at the Nyingma Institute in December,
1977, Tarthang Tulku had structured a TSK training program.
The Institute continued to present TSK seminars, workshops, and retreats
throughout the 1980s.
After Love of Knowledge was published in 1987, the Institute offered two
intensive ten-month programs between 1988 and 1990 devoted to its study.
After the third TSK book, Knowledge of Time and Space, was published in
1990, the Institute offered another intensive that drew on all three of the
TSK books.
>From 1991 to 1995, the Institute offered Time, Space, and Knowledge as
occasional weekend programs.
With the appearance of several new books in 1996, TSK gathered momentum and
workshops, classes, and retreats in TSK continue to be taught on a regular
basis.
At present, a regular series of eight classes is offered, providing a solid
introduction to the TSK vision and its practices.
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlGL0RsQvaw
13:13 video Alan Watts in black and white, Time: Part 1/2 ]
http://www.creativeinquiry.org/develop/the-tsk-vision/tsk-overview/
Jack Petrankar, Center for Creative Inquiry, started 2000
View a video introduction to the Time-Space-Knowledge vision
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdF0wTtK0g&feature=plcp>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdF0wTtK0g&feature=plcp>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdF0wTtK0g&feature=plcp>In Dynamics of
Time and Space (1994), Tarthang Tulku helps clarify the
Time-Space-Knowledge vision by laying out what it is not; that is, how it
differs from other approaches to knowledge and being:
<http://www.dharmapublishing.com/collections/books-time-space-and-knowledge>
<http://www.dharmapublishing.com/collections/books-time-space-and-knowledge>
<http://www.dharmapublishing.com/collections/books-time-space-and-knowledge>
TSK does not put forward claims regarding an absolute. In fact, it does not
specify any form of substance or reality at all. From a TSK perspective,
such definitions and claims inevitably generate conceptual structures. Once
such structures are seen as anything more than tools for investigation,
they limit knowledge, encouraging the formation of territories and
positions that soon come to take priority over inquiry and insight.
TSK does not maintain the existence of a creator or creative force
responsible for appearance. Identifying such an originating source is
another instance of the tendency to assign labels and then make those
labels the basis for limitation. For instance, readers of earlier books in
this series might say that TSK attributes creation to a kind of magical
operation. But the label ‘magic’ is just another way of limiting what
arises. The temptation to rely on labels in dealing with TSK is strong,
for ordinary understanding depends on labels, and we are usually interested
only in what we can understand. But applying this approach to TSK or any
other form of inquiry will only ensure that what is already familiar to us
will perpetuate itself. There will be no opportunities for a new vision to
make itself known.
TSK does not teach faith in any outside force, nor does it counsel devotion
toward a higher being, such as God or the Buddha. It suggests that the
knowledge we require is implicit in the self’s embodiment in space and
time. The highest values are immediately available to us.
TSK does not pursue knowledge through beliefs founded on reasons. Instead,
it proceeds through active inquiry, which is seen as embodying knowledge
directly.
TSK does not investigate a subject located somewhere else, apart from the
self. It looks directly to awareness.
TSK follows no model or doctrine. All knowledge can be a part of the vision.
TSK does not structure reality in terms of a hierarchy that proceeds from
higher to lower or good to bad. Though the vision sometimes relies on
language that makes such distinctions, the fundamental outlook is that
knowledge understands all manifestations to be equally good. Although the
process of inquiry will initially proceed step by step, moving from level
to level, this sequence of unfolding does not reflect any inherent
characteristic of appearance.
TSK does not offer any moral code. From a TSK perspective, being itself is
perfect, exhibiting in all its facets the qualities of life and beauty.
Since this is so, there is no need to seek perfection. The natural way of
being is intrinsically sacred. When we exhibit this perfection in our own
actions, vows and precepts are not required.
*more TSK overview points.
<http://www.creativeinquiry.org/develop/tsk-overview-part-2/>*
*shop for TSK books online at Dharma Publishing*
<http://shop.dharmapublishing.com/collections/books-time-space-and-knowledge>
TSK Online Course
<http://www.creativeinquiry.org/develop/programs-and-events/online-courses/>
Mindfulness talk by Jack Petranker
<http://imsb.dharmaseed.org/talks/audio_player/602/23650.html>
<http://imsb.dharmaseed.org/talks/audio_player/602/23650.html>Examined Life
– a talk on inquiry by Cornel West
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfD3X3f5C_whttp://>
Bruce Alderman’s TSK inspired blog
<http://timespaceknowledge.socialgo.com/magazine/category/29433>
<http://timespaceknowledge.socialgo.com/magazine/category/29433>David
Filippone’s TSK inspired blog
<http://timespaceknowledge.socialgo.com/magazine/category/29432>
A Call for a New Vision of Therapy
<http://www.creativeinquiry.org/develop/wp-content/uploads/CallForNewVisionOfTherapy.pdf>
by Hayward M. Fox, Ph.D.
Symphony of Time video
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AuQPqJPSKE&feature=autoplay&list=PL10EB90FB6EA9A39C&index=1&playnext=5>
One of the online courses in 2008 focused on the theme of light. Several
participants, especially David Fillipone and Cecilia Schall,
contributed a collection
of light-related images. <http://www.creativeinquiry.org/gallery/main.php>
Enjoy!
*The Way of the World*
*I took the idea somewhere, sometime, of the world*
*and me in it. When and from where? People said.*
*A way of speaking. Is it true? I know**so little, so little. It doesn’t
seem to be true.**I reject, at least, the implication, the two*
*idea, the conflict, the adversary, the will**of the world, my will. It
isn’t that. I find**nothing to force or fight or yield to. Much*
*of the time, I am nowhere, not in any world;*
*the world is nowhere; one could wish for a world.*
*Other times, something. An outside power. Or more,*
*my power. Something outside. I am more than I was.*
*From aimless idling, a clutch and a coupling. The world?No asking. We are
one or together. Call it the world.*
— William Bronk
http://www.tskassociation.org/knowledge-level-3.html quotes
Descriptions of knowledge, level 3
An integrated, natural intelligence, unfragmented into reason, emotions,
sensations, and intuition, is our greatest treasure, and our key to
progress. (p. xxxiv, TSK)
We can develop a mode of 'seeing' *which is not limited to a particular
position or 'point of view' *at all. (p. 27, TSK)
The Great Space dimension . . . provides the field of possibility for a
kind of wide-angle lens (Great Knowledge) to be used, rather than the
narrow-angle lens corresponding to the presence of a `knowing' and `doing'
mind-self. (p. 67, TSK)
Great Knowledge truly removes all doubts and uncertainties. But it does not
know `the truth'. It does not limit reality in that way. However, it is
accurate and well-informed of what is going on. (pp. 201-2, TSK)
Knowledge is the goal or the fruit of this vision--a fruit that is itself
beyond the concern for 'getting', approaching, or defining. (p. 211, TSK)
Great Knowledge is the immediate and knowing dimension of all reality and
experience. It is the interplay between the openness of Space and the
expressive creativity of Time. The very way in which Space and Time set up
distances, differences, finite knowing capacities, and obstacles to
knowledge leaves everything directly `known'. . . . Great Knowledge is the
interpreter and the demonstrator of this Space and Time, but it is not
limited to the events which we single out as knowing acts. Knowledge is not
something which knows something; it is simply the presence of reality as
`knowingness'. (pp. 211-12, TSK)
Ordinary knowledge has particular uses and values, but Great Knowledge is
irrepressible--it cannot be tied down or limited in any way. There is no
way we can *truly *fail to comprehend it. And like ordinary knowledge,
Great Knowledge always leads to more Knowledge of its own kind. *It
inspires itself *and can grow infinitely. (p. 215, TSK)
Knowingness has the quality of perfection. It is not simply a content of
knowledge, for it involves no sense of a subject-object duality. It is
perfect in itself because there is nothing more that needs to be known.
This does not imply a self-absorption. It is *perfect *because it is
all-inclusive. Nothing is left out or is an exception to it. (p. 219, TSK)
[Knowingness is] the capacity which is most central to human beings--the
capacity to appreciate and enjoy the freshness and fullness of the play of
Space and Time. (p. 220, TSK)
Great Knowledge is an inexhaustible treasure, one that cannot be spoiled or
diminished in any way. Knowledge makes no mistakes. It is clear, free of
confusions and misunderstandings. And it is available to everyone. It never
grows or dies. No doubts can shake it; in a lived sense, it is the toughest
material that exists. It is stalwart and reliable, ready for us to depend
on and live by. At the same time, Knowledge is beyond all qualities--beyond
all qualifications whatsoever. (p. 251, TSK)
This Knowledge is not oriented around us as the subject in a world of
objects. It is with everything and reveals everything, without establishing
an 'active subject' and a 'passive object'. The apparent object pole and
the containing world horizon can all be 'knowing'. (p. 252, TSK)
Great Knowledge *is *....Arguments and assertions cannot single it out or
refer to it. It is not a meaning....This Knowledge is not the result of any
demonstration or learning process. It is not limited or defined by the
approach we take to it.*It is unlearned or nonlearned learnedness* . (p.
253, TSK)
[Knowledge is] an elusive (but penetrating) understanding, significance, or
clarity....a balanced encompassing of the whole situation--not simply tied
to your 'mind' or to the perceiver looking out over a perceived field. (p.
256, TSK)
We can see `knowingness' as primary. *There are no `things' which convey
it, there is just clarity itself *; 'knowingness' is inexhaustible and can
be neither fragmented into little knowable packets nor foreshortened by
known content of any sort. This does not mean that 'knowingness' is a
vacant absorption, but rather that 'things' and encounters are themselves
'knowingness'. (p. 271, TSK)
There is no longer a 'looker', but instead, only a 'knowingness' which can
see more broadly, from all sides and points of view at once. More
precisely, the 'knowing' clarity *does not radiate from a center* , but is
rather *in *everything, and everything is *in *it. There is neither an
'outside' nor an 'inside' in the ordinary sense, but rather a pervasive and
intimate 'in' or 'within' as an open-ended knowingness. (p. 282, TSK)
Great Knowledge is not the view of an individual nor is it a *perspective *in
the way that places emphasis on a subject-object dichotomy. Great Knowledge
is `everything'--subject and object, all unified in a way that involves
neither parts nor a `whole', nor even a unifying process. We can call this
total communion the *Body of Knowledge* . (pp. 286-7, TSK)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tainer
Steven A. Tainer (born July 26, 1947) is a respected scholar and instructor
of contemplative traditions.[1]
He is a logician, philosopher, teacher and writer with an extensive
background in philosophy of science, mathematical logic and Asian
contemplative traditions.
One of the central themes of his work involves how different ways of
knowing can be compared, contrasted, and/or integrated.
[ much impressive creative world service described ]
http://www.waysofknowing.net/index.html
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BS MIT 1964 history and physics,
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On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Russ Abbott <russ.abbott at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nick wrote, "the idea of a real world outside experience is nonsense"
>
> What does that say about areas of the universe or periods of the universe
> that have no experiencing beings?
>
> Also, we synchronize our experiences so that we can communicate. (And we
> manage to do that reasonably well most of the time.) Is there any reason
> that's even possible if there is no real world outside each person's
> individual experience? (Or does this misrepresent what you have in mind?)
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:26 PM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Marcus,
>>
>>
>>
>> To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum
>> mechanics. I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside
>> experience is nonsense but I don’t see how QM gets you there. Peirce held
>> that all “objective” observation consist of guesses at what we all, the
>> community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the
>> very long run. So it’s all experience, all the way down, except that
>> “reality” is a sort of future experience. No dualism allowed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus
>> Daniels
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 10:40 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
>>
>>
>>
>> "Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we
>> assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective,
>> observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central
>> lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out
>> there in some preexisting space."
>>
>> For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are
>> independent observers and not part of the physics they measure. If they
>> can give that up, then things make more sense.
>>
>> Marcus
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <
>> wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 7:56:16 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
>>
>>
>>
>> This resonates with various Framework discussions. I think it's an area
>> of interest to Nick.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-
>> illusion-of-reality/479559/?utm_source=atlfb
>>
>> Frank Wimberly
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