[FRIAM] What is an object?

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Congrats on explicitly broaching Complexity without the obligatory buzzword! 8^)  But you've raised an important point about the inaccessibility of the noumenal that also includes a practical programming paradigm: "aspect-orientation".  I've tried to combine AoP principles with Ziegler's "facets" to realize a kind of aspect-oriented modeling.  I don't really market my methods.  But it works for me.

The point is to admit what B.C. Smith calls "the ontological wall", yet still try to formalize every perspective/approach you can toward that thing you can't fully reach, to circumscribe it as completely as you can.  That includes both primitive measurements (like direct sensation) and derived measures, i.e. measures of measures. And you can play "mind games" by swapping in and out various different logics (including both axioms in a single logic or entirely different logics) to extrapolate beyond the ontological wall, to explore alternative metaphysics and select against those that everyone dislikes.  (We do this practically with multi-paradigm modeling, i.e. multiple implementations of the same interface using, say, rules-based vs. continuum -- ODE/PDE -- solvers.)

The question raised in the first Open-Ended Evolution (OEE1) meeting was whether such *layering* (different types of houses with the same bricks -- regular tilings -- and/or different types of houses with different bricks -- e.g. Penrose Tiling) increases or decreases the systemic degrees of freedom. ??  At the meeting, there were plenty of people on both sides.  And I haven't followed any attempts to follow up and *prove* it one way or the other.  So, it would be very cool to hear any opinions on it or whether the question's been settled.

On 07/19/2018 02:38 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> That to say, I guess, that from a few bricks, the number of different kinds of houses that can be built combinatorially is far greater than the count of the types of bricks.  So the limits on what patterns can be apprehended seems to be very obscurely related to the limits of senses.

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