[FRIAM] Abduction

Wed Jan 2 13:18:29 EST 2019

Dave, 

Thou deniest me in my moment of need!

Thou castest me to the wolves (eg Marcus).

Why hast thou forsaken me? 

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:49 AM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

Sorry Nick,

I am as hardcore Apollonian as is possible.

And if you organize your life around pleasure, even if moderate and consistent, it is you that are the Dionysian.

davew

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:

> Dave,

> 

> I realize that you (and perhaps others of our colleagues here) are 

> Dionysians, whereas I, always, have been a stalwart Apollonian. The 

> difference, for me, is the risk one is willing to take for a peak 

> experience of some sort.  Some people organize their lives around 

> their vacations and holidays.  I hate holidays and vacations and 

> organize my life around a steady diet of moderate pleasure.  If you see what I mean.

> For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do for me.  

> Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?  

> 

> Nick

> 

> Nicholas S. Thompson

> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University 

>  <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Friam [ <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David 

> West

> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:05 AM

> To:  <mailto:friam at redfish.com> friam at redfish.com

> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

> 

> MDMA risks = dehydration, in part because it is usually taken in the 

> context of frenetic physical activity like at a rave. Disinhibition 

> can pose a secondary risk because partner selection is less 

> discerning. Like too many drugs, long term effects / gender different 

> effects / age different effects, are unknown because unstudied.

> 

> davew

> 

> 

> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

> > The premise of the series is that a drug + counseling is used to 

> > mitigate PTSD symptoms, but in fact it ends-up deleting recent memories

> > and was intended to make soldiers able to continue service.    

> > 

> > One might argue that accumulation of emotional trauma is part of one's 

> > personality, and relieving it destroys part of a person.   One might 

> > also argue that to have just one personality, developing on a 

> > contiguous timeline, is a sort of arbitrary confinement -- like 

> > living in a freezer that just keeps getting colder.

> > 

> > I don't know what the actual risks are of MDMA.  Alcohol's side effects, 

> > in terms of impairment of judgement, are already pretty dangerous.   

> > 

> > Marcus

> > 

> > On 1/1/19, 7:23 PM, "Friam on behalf of glen" 

> > < <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20gepropella at gmail.com> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> > 

> >     I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking why 

> > psychedelics are not prescribable? Or saying that their therapeutic 

> > effect is negligible?

> >     

> >     FWIW, I haven't seen Homecoming.

> >     

> >     On January 1, 2019 11:28:28 AM PST, Marcus Daniels 

> > < <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> >     >Watching Homecoming I found myself thinking, "Yes, so what's 

> > the big

> >     >deal?"

> >     >

> >     >On 12/31/18, 1:40 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣"

> >     >< <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20gepropella at gmail.com> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com>

> > wrote:

> >     >

> >     >    We're getting closer EVERY DAY!

> >     >    

> >     >       <https://psi-2020.org/> https://psi-2020.org/

> >     >    

> >     >    Oh, and if anyone needs a charity to toss some 2018 money at:

> >     >    

> >     >       <https://maps.org/> https://maps.org/

> >     >    

> >     -- 

> >     glen

> >     

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