[FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian Lives
Frank Wimberly
wimberly3 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 2 14:23:25 EST 2019
p.s. Dropping the law of the excluded middle required giving up proof by
contradiction.
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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:23 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com wrote:
> Perhaps Marcus already said this or something like it. You do dream you
> just want to ignore that fact because it's inconsistent with your assertion
> that minds don't exist. Also, a dichotomy can be true if you exclude the
> law of the excluded middle which constructivist mathematicians do and still
> derive the integers and the rational numbers.
>
> I am skeptical that Dave is Appolonian.
>
> Frank
>
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> Frank Wimberly
>
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> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:15 AM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net
> wrote:
>
>> Marcus,
>>
>> Well, if nothing is real, then dreams aren't real either, right. So,
>> that's a non-starter. I don't think I am being absurd, but that's for
>> others to judge. I assume my brain does rem sleep like everybody else's,
>> but one sure as hell can minimize or maximize the experience of dreaming.
>> I know people who build their lives around dreaming, wake themselves up at
>> night to write down their dreams, etc., etc. They have a lot more
>> experience of dreaming than I do.
>>
>> By the way: how can a dichotomy be false? I can see that it might be
>> "narrowly useful" or "not useful for the following purposes <please
>> state>". But False. What means "false" in this context?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> Clark University
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
>> Daniels
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:41 AM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian
>> Lives
>>
>> It's a false dichotomy. An Apollonian can recognize that he or she needs
>> food, just as well as they could recognize they need intellectual or
>> spiritual sustenance. And of course your brain will do the dreaming that
>> is needed to keep you alive, even if you don't know about it or recognize
>> its value. I guess you are just being absurd?
>>
>> Did you ever see the movie Strange Days? Why should I jump out of an
>> airplane if I could just pump the same signals into my brain? There's
>> nothing real, after all.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> On 1/2/19, 10:19 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <
>> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. See. That's just the point. About 20 years ago, I decided
>> that dreaming was a waste of time and I wouldn't do it anymore. So I
>> don't.
>>
>> Dionysians and Apollonians are very different people.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> Clark University
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
>> Daniels
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:08 AM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction
>>
>> There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends
>> to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at least
>> for me. A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with psychedelic
>> phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system deactivation. (
>>
>> On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <
>> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do
>> for me. Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?
>>
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