[FRIAM] Statistical poser (aka fact checking is hard)
Steven A Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Wed Jan 2 14:47:02 EST 2019
It is to this point that I prefer to think in terms of "neurodiverse"
rather than "mentally ill". Your definitions here respond more to my
idea of "sociopathy". I don't think of sociopaths as being mentally
ill, just not good members of the society they find themselves in.
Most *L*ibertarians I know seem to be on the verge of sociopathy as a
matter of honor.
There has been a move afoot to recognize the selection value of
neurodiversity in a group and to de-stigmatize or de-pathologize what
was previously considered dis-ease or dys-function.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/books/review/neurotribes-by-steve-silberman.html
On 1/2/19 12:33 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> Nick writes:
>
> “A mentally ill individual is one whose behavior is so annoying that
> other individuals are willing to cooperate to put him away?”
>
> Sure, in that case the “mentally ill individual” may have failed to
> connect their actions with the consequences. Or maybe they wanted
> lodging in a psychiatric facility on the family dime -- probably a bad
> call if your name was Rosemary Kennedy.
>
> Marcus
>
> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Thompson
> <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:15 PM
> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Statistical poser (aka fact checking is hard)
>
> Marcus,
>
> Forgive me if I am entering this party late, but what exactly means
> “mental illness”
>
> */I would expect that mental illness is massively underdiagnosed in
> this country, and especially in the blue collar mid-west where it is
> considered a taboo topic and people have not had adequate health
> insurance to use to diagnose it. /*
>
> So, is a young person who hears voices, but who integrates those
> voices into a well-organized and effective life mentally ill? Is the
> homeless person who prefers to sleep on a subway grate than go into a
> shelter mentally ill? I had a colleague once who famously checked
> himself into a mental hospital making a vague claim to hearing voices
> and then, once on the ward, behaved absolutely as he would have
> otherwise. His only aberrant behavior was that he constantly took
> notes. Explaining that he was doing a study of the ward. When, after
> a few weeks, he got bored of it and tried to check himself out, he
> could not get out! He had to use his “fail-safe” (the chairman of his
> department, if I remember) to extract himself. Was he mentally ill?
>
> Is trump mentally Ill? WAS he mentally ill before he became
> president? Or was he promoted to his level of mental illness. (CF,
> Peter Principle.)
> <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Principle-Things-Always-Wrong/dp/0285631764>
> (In a political hierarchy a politician will rise to his level of
> insanity.) (cf, /All the Kings Men
> <https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=All%20the%20kings%20men&index=blended&link_code=qs&sourceid=Mozilla-search&tag=mozilla-20>/,
> a fabulous novel, by the way). Not clear to me how a libertarian of
> any stripe can allow the concept of mental illness into a
> conversation. A mentally ill individual is one whose behavior is so
> annoying that other individuals are willing to cooperate to put him away?
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus
> Daniels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 02, 2019 11:44 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Statistical poser (aka fact checking is hard)
>
> Robert writes:
>
> “Estimates vary by source, but fraction of opioid deaths that are
> suicide is around 20-30%”
>
> What I’d really like to know is how the fraction of opioid deaths
> occur with individuals that have no historical sign of mental illness
> at all, and would be described by their friends and colleagues as
> effective and engaged prior to their initial prescription. I would
> expect that mental illness is massively underdiagnosed in this
> country, and especially in the blue collar mid-west where it is
> considered a taboo topic and people have not had adequate health
> insurance to use to diagnose it. I strongly suspect a structural
> cause of all this is the idea that free will exists, combined with the
> inevitable evolution of the economy toward more automation. Millions
> of people, maybe hundreds of millions of people, have what amounts to
> a mistaken view of the world. Similar arguments apply to the ongoing
> outbursts of gun homicide (instead of suicide).
>
> Marcus
>
>
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