[FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Edward Angel angel at cs.unm.edu
Fri Jan 11 05:54:51 EST 2019 

One consequence of the present situation that will have long term consequences is even though the amount of research funding in CS is high, universities are having trouble attracting high quality graduate students, the next generation of educators. Although this situation has little to do with trumpism, there have been serious consequences of foreign students and researchers being denied visas. As the universities in other countries such as China and Singapore continue to improve, the future does not look good for technology education here.

Ed
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> On Jan 11, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jacqueline Kazil <jackiekazil at gmail.com> wrote:
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> The numbers for tech jobs are all over the place. The one that I have heard most is 1.5 million, but I have also seen everywhere from 500k to 3 million. 
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> Most of the theories of why this is not because of Trump, but because of issues with education.
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> There are not enough people in education teaching people technology, because people can easily go and get 1.5x to 3x their salary in the private sector. For example -- Uber gutting Carnegie Melon's Researchers: https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached <https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached> 
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> I sit on the board of the Python Software Foundation. I am putting together an RFP with others to fund educational initiatives in Python. It will be coming out later this month or next month. 
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> -Jackie
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> P.S. Side note about education and python... In Guido's (creator of Python) proposal to Darpa to fund the development of Python for educational purposes, he references Logo as a great tool, but limited. That was 2001. The same year that Netlogo was created (if I have my years right). 
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> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfredo at covaleda.co <mailto:alfredo at covaleda.co>> wrote:
> And will remain un-filled for years while "trumpism exists":
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8>
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> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> Sorry, everybody.  Ugh!
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> What I meant to write was, “At least, ask for a RAISE(!)”.  You have no idea how envious I am of you all.  Can you IMAGINE the joy I would feel if I learned that there were a million jobs unfilled for cranky former psychology professors who can’t write a ten-word email message without screwing it up! 
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> That would be glorious.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
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> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million tech jobs unfilled
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> Maybe there will even be a place for techie old farts to work from Ecuador.
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> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>> wrote:
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> Dear Friammers,
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> There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US – hence the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge. Would this be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better job?  Or, at least, to ask for a job?
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> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?
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> Just sayin’
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
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> Clark University
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
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