[FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

Fri Jan 11 13:14:17 EST 2019

^^^
For what it's worth anecdotly some amount of a lot of jobs get posted for
legal reasons. Acme Co has someone reffered to them, or they are just
moving people around. Either way, they know who they want.
Also their is some amount of chicken and egg: Applying to do Project Lead
or C++ FrameWork of Awesome or what ever. A ton of people apply, some new,
some not some have general transferable skills...just not with FrameWork of
Awesome...well how do they get to be able to work with FrameWork of
Awesome, if companies are more and more hestitant to do part time for on
the job training to full time (probation trial)?

Also generally speaking places are shoring up more and more. FWIW of people
I know, and my own experience an add, for any area gets posted, then
someone changes their mind out of economic jitters and a looming fiscal
cliff...or so sayeth opinions from...every news source ever.  Well...they
might hope if they 'let sleaping dogs sleep' by way of not responding to or
they legit totally forgot about the helpwanted well after they got a
project done...

and then their are the Indeed.Com's and Linkdyns whos spiders are pretty
bad about finding adds that...don't even really exist sometimes. I haven't
a clue how much of that applies to a faily broad statement Well lots tech
jobs aren't filled yet.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:56 AM Jacqueline Kazil <jackiekazil at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think larger companies have more of a structure for more experienced
> hands on technical folks — they are called Individual Contributors or ICs.
> Sometimes they are also called “Fellows” or “Distinguished Engineers”.
> Usually these roles are allotted freedom to contribution based on how they
> see value. But sometimes they are told to focus on a certain area.
>
> For a company to support ICs usually two conditions have to be met...
> 1. The company has to be large enough where ICs are valued. From my
> experience, I have seen this happen around,150-250 staff memebers.
>  2. The contributions of IC have to valued.
>
> Some companies I know with these types of roles...
> -Google
> -Dropbox
> -Capital One
>
> -Jackie
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:04 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cross-pollinating threads, as a >50 year old somewhat technical person, I
>> and my clique have trouble getting and keeping these "tech jobs" because
>> they are too focused on short-term objectives and tightly pigeon-holed
>> skill sets.  I can almost universally get many of these jobs (or at least
>> land multiple interviews) simply because I'm slightly literate in ~10 to 15
>> programming languages.  Most of my clique isn't quite as lucky, being
>> rooted in (brain damaged by!) one or 2 of them in the same paradigm.  But
>> even if I take one of these jobs, it quickly becomes mind-numbing; I get
>> bored and move on.
>>
>> So from my (anecdotal) perspective, all 4 of the perspectives (Michio,
>> CMU, the private sector companies doing the poaching, and anyone who
>> succumbs to "the myth of the objective") are all suboptimal. Pamela seems
>> to have identified a critical element, at least for people in my
>> ¡category!  One person barely inside my clique, though ~5 years younger,
>> took a job at SRI.  I interviewed one of his mentors there and, although
>> the model *seems* good, they're similarly plagued with the grant-writing
>> burden Eric(S) and Pamela mention.  The same seems similar at a company,
>> here called Galois.
>>
>> It looks to me like people are promoted *out* of R&D and into business.
>> If you have even the slightest ability to land funding, that becomes your
>> job, to the detriment of any actual R&D you may have done if you hadn't had
>> your head crushed in an avalanche of budgeting documents.
>>
>> So, to me, the problem seems less about education and more about the lack
>> of societal infrastructure that supports actual *work*, in contrast to
>> fiefdom building and busyness.  And if that sounds socialist, I'm OK with
>> the label.  My transformation from libertarian to socialist is complete. 8^)
>>
>> On 1/11/19 2:54 AM, Edward Angel wrote:
>> > One consequence of the present situation that will have long term
>> consequences is even though the amount of research funding in CS is high,
>> universities are having trouble attracting high quality graduate students,
>> the next generation of educators. Although this situation has little to do
>> with trumpism, there have been serious consequences of foreign students and
>> researchers being denied visas. As the universities in other countries such
>> as China and Singapore continue to improve, the future does not look good
>> for technology education here.
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >> On Jan 11, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jacqueline Kazil <jackiekazil at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The numbers for tech jobs are all over the place. The one that I have
>> heard most is 1.5 million, but I have also seen everywhere from 500k to 3
>> million.
>> >>
>> >> Most of the theories of why this is not because of Trump, but because
>> of issues with education.
>> >>
>> >> There are not enough people in education teaching people technology,
>> because people can easily go and get 1.5x to 3x their salary in the private
>> sector. For example -- Uber gutting Carnegie Melon's Researchers:
>> https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached
>> <
>> https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached>
>>
>> >>
>> >> I sit on the board of the Python Software Foundation. I am putting
>> together an RFP with others to fund educational initiatives in Python. It
>> will be coming out later this month or next month.
>> >>
>> >> -Jackie
>> >>
>> >> P.S. Side note about education and python... In Guido's (creator of
>> Python) proposal to Darpa to fund the development of Python for educational
>> purposes, he references Logo as a great tool, but limited. That was 2001.
>> The same year that Netlogo was created (if I have my years right).
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <
>> alfredo at covaleda.co <mailto:alfredo at covaleda.co>> wrote:
>> >> And will remain un-filled for years while "trumpism exists":
>> >>
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8 <
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8>
>> >>
>> >>[..]
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Nick Thompson <
>> nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Friammers,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US –
>> hence the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge.
>> Would this be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better
>> job?  Or, at least, to ask for a job?
>> >>
>> >> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa
>> Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are
>> never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?
>> >>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ∄ uǝʃƃ
>>
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