[FRIAM] Another few ponderances

[Gillian Densmore]

I thought about what you said some Steve. My experience so far. Is that
sometime after I consously started to go for a more balanced diet (for
example) a ton of other things started to get improve a little: not as
moody (that I can tell) and simillar to yours so far just better focus.

It's amazing how good for you cardio is from the linked studies!  I one of
them sugested it grows the hypocampus somehow, and another suggested
(trying to) go for a flow state somehow repairs brain damages. That's
amazing! I have no idea that works because the medical terminology started
to go over my head alas, something to to with CY enzimes (they think) and
or possibly triggering NeuronGrowthFactors...  if I understood the
articles correctly that's more true for people with injuries, elderly, and
amazingly mental health conditions. I

For what it's worth, Steve about your salt cravings. I still have some
suger cravings now...just not nearly as much as last year. I think Glen
said something about not eating much before cardio cleans out the liver, I
wonder if that's part of why?





On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:28 PM Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Gil -
>
> My most relevant experience is having gone through 2 different periods of
> following a Ketogenic dietary regimen... once roughly 3 months and the
> other roughly 6.   My motives were varied, but included trying to
> experience a *different* metabolic state than the one I've become
> comfortable with in my advanced and overly sedentary years (last 5-10).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis
> https://paleoleap.com/paleo-guide-to-ketosis/
>
> I'm not referring it to you for any reason in particular than my own
> experience with the significantly different subjective experience I had
> with food WHILE in ketosis.
>
> It is a bit of a commitment... it took me roughly 1 week of modest
> discomfort to get into ketosis and a single carb-binge ( a day or more) can
> kick you back out, requiring another (nearly as long) period of
> transition.  I went through one full-reset the first time because I
> misunderstood that "buttermilk" carried as much lactose (a sugar) as
> regular milk (whole or low-fat notwithstanding).   It also means narrowing
> the spectrum of familiar foods quite a bit.   No carbs means no sugar,
> fruit, starchy vegetables, grains, legumes, milk, etc. but does admit
> (promote) fatty foods like cheese, lean and fatty meats, eggs,
> oil/butter.   As a mostly vegetarian, that meant my standby easy go-to
> meals were omelettes and Cobb salads (often without meat) with at least
> one, often two avocados per day (in the omelette/salad or on the side).
>
> The ketogenic metabolism also consumes extra electrolytes as the liver
> actually *produces* water as it converts fats into ketones.  This is good
> news for anyone struggling to reduce sodium levels.  The avocados provided
> an easy way to get both high-fat and potassium salts and a taste/texture
> treat.   Extra water-consumption is suggested, at least during the
> transition into ketogenesis to help flush the various toxins that come with
> the shift.   I did my two periods over the summer each time, and it has
> become my practice to drink at least two liters of water a day laced with
> electrolytes (potassium/magnesium salts) and apple-cider vinegar) as a
> "gatorade" replacement in the warm seasons. I used to crave salt
> terribly... this undermines my salt-cravings entirely.   I find it
> incredibly satisfying, especially while in ketogenesis.
>
> Ketogenesis is prescribed for a wide range of things from kicking off
> weight loss with (sometimes) lasting metabolic differences (i.e. Atkins,
> etc.) to some forms of brain dysfunction (epilepsy, alzheimers), to
> athletic performance (endurance and strength, though not muscle-building).
> I was lead to it by my daughter and her partner who are both performance
> athletes and paleo-nutritionists.   I found that while in ketogenesis, my
> endurance for physical activity increased (after the first week of
> low-energy, etc. during transition) and my hunger was very level... I
> *never* had any strong desire (other than habitual) to gobble down a donut
> or pizza or a burrito.   When I followed the "intermittent fasting" ideal
> (restricting food consumption to 4-6 hours a day),  eating became much more
> of an abstraction and/or entirely instinctual process.  I *enjoyed* my
> meals, but did not crave them or find myself checking the clock...  if
> anything I'd realize that I had entered my "eating window" (nominally 2=6
> pm for me) without realizing it.   The idea behind the intermittent fasting
> (which can include missing an entire eating cycle) is to keep the liver
> working hard at converting body-fat to ketones.
>
> I would also claim that I felt more mental focus (once past that first
> week).   This is one of the reasons my daughter and partner seek
> ketogenesis, they feel that when they are eating carbs, they often
> experience a brain-fog.    My own experience is not as stark, but I feel
> that self-analysis of mental states is VERY subjective.   In general my
> transition into/out of ketogenesis was much less dramatic than is often
> reported.  The "keto flu" going in has been reported lasting up to 2 weeks
> and returning to carbs is often reported to generate "bloating", "brain
> fog", etc.    My experiences of the transitions were very mild compared to
> those reported by others.
>
> I don't know if this helps you think about your own metabolic responses to
> various foods and exercise experiences, but I find that kind of
> introspection/self-experimentation fascinating.
>
> - Steve
> On 1/10/19 10:07 AM, ∄ uǝʃƃ wrote:
>
> From what I've experienced of fasting (more than 36 hours ... not just skipping a meal now and then), I've gotten an energy *boost* from it.  I do crash harder after I finally do eat, though.  Some of the pop-sci literature also suggests we might enter something like a starvation state if we exhaust the glucogen stores in the liver.  And if you exercise before eating, then you're supposedly getting that glucose sugar from your liver.
>
> Most of the actual science literature is still too far removed from day to day living to be very meaningful, in my opinion.  Although I just noticed Marcus' list and haven't followed those links, yet.
>
>
> On 1/10/19 8:36 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
> (Yes I know that's not really how to use ponder)
>
> Recently I decided to take my health way more earnestly and are genuinly
> curius about something if anyone has some ideas:
>
> What is it about cardio after a certain amount that makes it energizing?
> For example Monday after I wanted to see how long I could do a stationary
> bike. I felt pretty hyper. I didn't have anything other than 2 cups of
> coffee before then.
>
> I have also found I don't particularly crave cookies, and to some degree
> don't crave coke nearly as much.
>
> Lastly: Man, something about fruit juice recently just..really hits the
> spot.
>
> Just curious..
>
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