[FRIAM] Few of you ...

Tue Jan 15 23:46:55 EST 2019

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I think it would be more appropriate to apply a fuzzy set membership, 
though probability works as well.  The semantics are different even if 
the maths are the same.

S

On 1/15/19 3:22 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> S.
>
> I like the taxonomy.  What do you suppose would be the chi-squared 
> probability of your occupying the various cells.  For me, I find that 
> I avoid playing “Expert” in the topic of “evolution of communication” 
> because the expectations are high and I always disappoint them.  Best 
> to play Expert when the topic is something I know nothing about.
>
> N
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven 
> A Smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:13 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...
>
> I appreciate the introduction of "roles" and "topics" and "attractors" 
> here.    I would say that *I* experience all three slightly differently:
>
> Roles:  This subdivides into (roughly?) 3 modes
>
>  1. Roles I was born/raised into...  Son, brother, classmate,
>     boyfriend, husband, father.   These were handed to me by the
>     culture I "became me" in.  I may have been mildly more self-aware
>     and some might say cynical in my living/experiencing/elaborating
>     these roles.
>  2. Roles I adopted more consciously... Friend, Student,
>     Employee/Subordinate, Researcher, Technologist, Businessman,
>     etc.   These roles are modeled after the ones I saw, but I believe
>     my engagement with them exceeded some threshold of self-awareness
>     to become self-intention.   Each of these roles might have supspecie.
>  3. Roles such as I think Glen refers to, roles adopted in a very
>     transient mode... understanding I'm doing so for a specific
>     purpose in a specific context for (nominally) a very limited
>     time....  fellow traveler, cynic, seducer, authoritarian,
>     submissive, pleader, demander, ranter, raver, etc...
>
> Topics:  I believe these are orthogonal to Roles and I can approach 
> any topic from the point of view of one of the roles, or perhaps 
> vice-versa.  Topics generally subdivide as follows for me:
>
>  1. Personal.  Things that have an immediate and *personal* meaning to
>     me.  These are mostly about self-image, psychological and
>     emotional states, physical states, immediate intimate relations, etc.
>  2. Public.   These things tend to fall into the arena of (possibly
>     well informed) opinions such as politics, religion, aesthetic
>     preferences, etc.
>  3. Technical.  These things generally fall in to the categories of
>     Science or Technology... things which can be studied and much
>     derived from "first principles".  These things (in principle) can
>     be tested in something like an objective mode.  The "soft
>     sciences" are getting "harder" all the time as they take on more
>     mathematical rigor, as we live and study them longer we have more
>     formal models for them, as we discover/develop new measurement
>     technologies which were presumed to be out of reach in the past
>     (e.g. fMRI, crypto, big-data analysis, etc.)
>
> Attractors:  I take these to be the psychosocial context in which I 
> discover these roles (and role-topic pairs?) and my relation to 
> them.   The larger culture is where these attractors (in particular 
> the born/raised roles (1)) exist. Type 2 Roles are usually more 
> context specific, based in some subculture experience and therefore 
> the attractors are more dependent on the sub-context.  Type 3 Roles 
> seem to have the most restrictive attractors, depending more on my own 
> psychosocial context than perhaps the others, or maybe more to the 
> point, those contexts are more idiosyncratic to me.  They are more 
> likely to be adopted transiently and therefore have less investment 
> and equally I feel the "attractors" are more sweeping... there is a 
> lot more "acting as if" or "fake it til you make it" for me in this 
> domain.   I might enter a conversation for example, not intending to 
> be a cynic, but quickly find myself drawn into it by my conversant's 
> adopting a Pollyanna role, for example.
>
> - Steve
>
> On 1/15/19 12:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
>     Marcus,
>
>     Would you be happier if we called them "attractors".   Surely you, stalwart
>
>     individualist that you are, would agree that there is something out there
>
>     that "attracts you" to certain lines of behavior in social situations?
>
>     Or perhaps not?
>
>     Nick
>
>     Nicholas S. Thompson
>
>     Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
>     Clark University
>
>     http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>
>     From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
>
>     Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:27 AM
>
>     To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group<friam at redfish.com>  <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>
>     Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...
>
>     Glen writes:
>
>     < It's truly a breath of fresh air when I run across someone else who is
>
>     willing to swap roles several times through a single conversation. >
>
>       
>
>     Why do there have to be roles and not just topics?
>
>     Marcus
>
>        
>
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