[FRIAM] narcissism

[Frank Wimberly]

$75?!  The Kindle edition of my memoir was only 4.99 before I unpublished
it.

This isn't what you asked for but it supports my claim that all
pathological(!) narcissism has a common dynamic structure.  It only 3+
minutes long and it's free.

https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:39 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have not read Kernberg's "Borderline Conditions and Pathological
> Narcissism". The kindle copy seems to be $75, which is out of my price
> range for almost any book. If the libraries open up soon, I can probably
> get my hands on a copy.
>
> Regardless, I *do*, right now, have access to almost every scientific
> journal article. Add that to the tendency of journal articles to include
> more data, and more easily analyzable data, and a broad time span, I much
> prefer articles to books, anyway. With articles, I can track how hypotheses
> about underlying mechanisms seem to be different from, say, 1975 to today.
> The DSM 5's "alternative" section is very helpful for that, as well. And
> I'm sure some books do it. But it's not that dynamic. The book had to be
> published at some point. Even with editions, it's a lot of work to publish
> a new edition. Add to all that that articles can be more obviously
> peer-reviewed. I can complain about peer review as well as the next yahoo.
> But it's still something to consider.
>
> So, if you know of any (relatively new ... say, > 2000) articles that
> argue for vulnerable and grandiose narcissism being 2 phenotypes of the
> same generators, then please send them along. If you don't have any
> relatively modern *data* arguing for your position, then I'd claim you're
> speaking with unjustified authority and may want to soften your language a
> bit. ... maybe just for talking to jerks like me, at least. 8^)
>
> As for Trump, I've *already* said that his narcissism interferes with his
> competence. I said that explicitly. I've even said it more than once. But
> it seems irrelevant to how we compensate for the situation we're in. I
> don't think I said *independent*. I'm sorry if I did.  Irrelevant and
> independent are different. My point was to find something we can *act* on.
> And I don't think we can act on his narcissism. But we can act on his
> incompetence.
>
>
> On 4/29/20 12:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > Have you read Kernberg?  I would do that first and I would claim that he
> should dominate me and the others with respect to his/their/my
> credibility.  My knowledge, such as it is, comes from informal
> conversations with senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh.  Ragins, Schachter,
> Ratey, McLaughlin, et al.  And my wife who is not a senior analyst but was
> a student of all those.  She is reticent to talk about these issues but
> clearly knows more than I do.
> >
> > Do you still deny that Trump's narcissism interferes with his ability to
> be president?  You seem to think it's independent of his incompetence.  I
> don't think so.
>
>
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