[FRIAM] narcissism

[Frank Wimberly]

Also:

https://youtu.be/Ihu3k_j3KQk
https://youtu.be/xoRuzpsLzTU
https://youtu.be/OwVL-X_TRDo

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:51 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> $75?!  The Kindle edition of my memoir was only 4.99 before I unpublished
> it.
>
> This isn't what you asked for but it supports my claim that all
> pathological(!) narcissism has a common dynamic structure.  It only 3+
> minutes long and it's free.
>
> https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:39 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have not read Kernberg's "Borderline Conditions and Pathological
>> Narcissism". The kindle copy seems to be $75, which is out of my price
>> range for almost any book. If the libraries open up soon, I can probably
>> get my hands on a copy.
>>
>> Regardless, I *do*, right now, have access to almost every scientific
>> journal article. Add that to the tendency of journal articles to include
>> more data, and more easily analyzable data, and a broad time span, I much
>> prefer articles to books, anyway. With articles, I can track how hypotheses
>> about underlying mechanisms seem to be different from, say, 1975 to today.
>> The DSM 5's "alternative" section is very helpful for that, as well. And
>> I'm sure some books do it. But it's not that dynamic. The book had to be
>> published at some point. Even with editions, it's a lot of work to publish
>> a new edition. Add to all that that articles can be more obviously
>> peer-reviewed. I can complain about peer review as well as the next yahoo.
>> But it's still something to consider.
>>
>> So, if you know of any (relatively new ... say, > 2000) articles that
>> argue for vulnerable and grandiose narcissism being 2 phenotypes of the
>> same generators, then please send them along. If you don't have any
>> relatively modern *data* arguing for your position, then I'd claim you're
>> speaking with unjustified authority and may want to soften your language a
>> bit. ... maybe just for talking to jerks like me, at least. 8^)
>>
>> As for Trump, I've *already* said that his narcissism interferes with his
>> competence. I said that explicitly. I've even said it more than once. But
>> it seems irrelevant to how we compensate for the situation we're in. I
>> don't think I said *independent*. I'm sorry if I did.  Irrelevant and
>> independent are different. My point was to find something we can *act* on.
>> And I don't think we can act on his narcissism. But we can act on his
>> incompetence.
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/20 12:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > Have you read Kernberg?  I would do that first and I would claim that
>> he should dominate me and the others with respect to his/their/my
>> credibility.  My knowledge, such as it is, comes from informal
>> conversations with senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh.  Ragins, Schachter,
>> Ratey, McLaughlin, et al.  And my wife who is not a senior analyst but was
>> a student of all those.  She is reticent to talk about these issues but
>> clearly knows more than I do.
>> >
>> > Do you still deny that Trump's narcissism interferes with his ability
>> to be president?  You seem to think it's independent of his incompetence.
>> I don't think so.
>>
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