[FRIAM] narcissism

[Frank Wimberly]

By the way, you say

...that grandiose narcissists *don't* suffer much, but the vulnerable
narcissists *do*...

Grandiosity is a defense against vulnerability in these people.  They're
the same people.

I find Kernberg to be more masterful and credible that Yeomans.  Of course,
the former is the teacher of the latter.



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> But it's useful, to me, ...
>
> Well, that matters.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:57 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/20 12:51 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > https://youtu.be/DlopY4DfFV4
>>
>> This one didn't seem to say anything about the 2 phenotypes. So it
>> (obviously) can't help distinguish them, which means it can't help unify
>> them. If one doesn't even recognize there could be a difference, then one
>> can't unify them.
>>
>> On 4/29/20 1:30 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > https://youtu.be/Ihu3k_j3KQk
>>
>> Yeomans refers to "thin-skinned" narcissists, which I interpret to be
>> what others call "vulnerable". And it's good that he made at least that
>> distinction. But everything else he said, other authors have described as
>> grandiose phenotype. So, he validates other authors' laments that the
>> majority of work has ignored the vulnerable type.
>>
>> > https://youtu.be/xoRuzpsLzTU
>>
>> I watched this one yesterday or the day before. But again, it focuses on
>> the grandiose type and doesn't help distinguish or [re]unify the 2 types.
>> What might be a Freudian slip, though, is that the unification of the 2
>> types, or the refusal to admit there might be 2 types, might be a
>> "regression to simplicity". >8^D
>>
>> > https://youtu.be/OwVL-X_TRDo
>>
>> Here, Yeomans refers to what I started this thread with, he thinks
>> narcissists suffer a lot, enslaved in an isolation. But the research I've
>> seen in journals indicate that grandiose narcissists *don't* suffer much,
>> but the vulnerable narcissists *do*. This is directly inferrable from the
>> *alternative* model of NPD in the DSM 5. And it's reflected to some extent
>> in pretty much any paper you get from a google scholar search.
>>
>> So, to sum up, none of these bolster your position. But it's useful, to
>> me, because now I'm thinking that the Wink 1991 paper really was a
>> significant inflection point in the study of narcissism. Thanks for sending
>> them along. I'll youtube-reciprocate and say that this guy seems pretty
>> credible:
>>
>> Wilmington:
>> https://www.wilmu.edu/directory/behavioralscience/lori-vien.aspx
>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC_0vyFTKk1Nlodo4QsiQkw
>>
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