[FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Mon Aug 24 11:24:47 EDT 2020
Sushi lovers -
I've never been able to develop (nor really understand) the eating of
fish/seafood.
I grew up completely landlocked in the Rocky Mountains where it was at
the very least a significant excursion to get to a *small* lake where
there *might be* a few trout stocked. The process of removing them from
said waters by a hook through their lip, killing them (or more often
letting them suffocate to death), and removing the unpalatable parts did
not make me want to eat them more, only less. The very rare occasion
my mother fixed us frozen/breaded/tartared "fish sticks" were pretty
neutral for me. I think I knew the connection but the preparation
style/process was pretty good at obscuring the source, including the
"fishy taste".
By the time I was in my mid teens I was developing an idealism that
suggested strongly to me that I should probably not eat anything that I
wasn't willing to capture, kill, clean, butcher, prepare. This lead me
to a *mostly* vegetarian diet well into my 30s (to which I have
returned). It also lead me to watch with puzzlement as many of my
peers enjoyed their meat/fowl/fish dishes while being at least "queasy"
when confronted with their sources. Crab and Lobster being a few of
the more disturbing examples... when the very same diners would
probably recoil or at least cringe if they were approached by a spider
or any insect larger than a speck. I have "forced" myself to eat a
variety of foods in the spirit of Dave's "Anthropologist" posture, but
generally have not found a particular *taste for* any of them, in
particular seafood and insects.
When my older daughter graduated from her undergrad in Santa Cruz, CA, I
hosted a dinner for her at her chosen restaurant. Surprise! It was a
seafood restaurant and the entire contingent of 20-30 friends and family
were excited. Few if any were used to getting "good, fresh seafood".
In the spirit of supporting my daughter and the other guests, I allowed
many of them to offer me their favorite delicacy... "MmmmmMMMMM!" they
would say and I would take a bite and say "hmmmmm???...." I have no idea
what all I tasted that night. I have a pretty good ability to abstract
myself from visceral things when I need/choose to, so I *can* look a
king crab in the eyestalk while I suck the flesh from his antennae, but
that doesn't mean I *enjoy* it. A few hours later, after returning to
the friends home we were staying with, I began to violently and
involuntarily empty my entire GI tract of everything I'd eaten through
every available orifice. This continued for roughly 2 days. My best
guess is that I, in fact, am allergic to *some* type of seafood, and was
left with the belief that said allergy may well be part of what informs
my lack of interest and/or distaste for "fishy" flavors. I've
continued to sample "this and that" since then, but much more
carefully. The most famous of seafood allergies, I believe, includes
scallops which I distinctly remember at least one person thrusting into
my mouth and telling me how much I would "enjoy" them....
"MMMMMMMmmMMM!". I didn't notice them to go down one way or the other
(tasty or repugnant) beyond my over-arching distate for "things that
taste fishy", which *everything* did that evening. I have declined
"MMMMMmmMMMMMmmm!" scallops a few times since then...
I have a small outdoor pond which I sometimes have to (re)stock with
goldfish. Their role is primarily mosquito (larvae) control. When I
go to the pet store, I buy their "feeder fish" stocked to feed other
animals, paying $.15-$.30 each. I'm not sure what pets eat these fish
(bigger fish? frogs? turtles? snakes?)... the aquarium person
and/or the clerk almost always asks me "what do you feed these to?"
which often elicits a smart-ass-coy response of "my old Fraternity is
getting together for a reunion"... to which I relent after a second of
their "shock" and say... "I feed these to raccoons"... and then relent
with ... "they eat mosquito larva in my outdoor pool, and over time,
the raccoons often visit and fish them out".
If I were in a situation where fish-protein was the most obvious source
of food, I am sure I could come to appreciate it... but I don't imagine
I will ever find pleasure in eating raw fish nor live fish in what I'd
call "normal circumstances". More power to all you sushi lovers, even
those landlocked 1000 miles from the source? 'mmmmMMMmmmmm!!!!".
- Steve
On 8/23/20 10:17 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> I'm glad I majored in math.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm
> <mailto:profwest at fastmail.fm>> wrote:
>
> The year I lived in Japan, I ate sushi so much that I lost all
> appetite for it for a couple of decades. But my acceptance level
> has returned. It is quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I
> have had Fugu and the tingling sensation on lips and tongue is
> incomparable to any other dish. On two occasions I ate live fish,
> once in a tofu soup heated at your table; the fish burrowing into
> the tofu cubes to avoid the heat, then you toss back the tofu. The
> other time was catching a small fish with your chopsticks, dipping
> it in a hot sauce and tossing it back. As it wiggled down your
> throat the hot sauce felt like burning lava, then the heat
> exploded and you did not even notice the rest of the fish you ate.
>
> One of the wonders of being an anthropologist is eating exotic
> foods in order not to insult your hosts.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, at 1:29 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would sooner eat Dog.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
>> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:20 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)
>>
>>
>>
>> What is so bad about Sushi? It is a bit fishy and cold, but on
>> hot summer days it can be refreshing. I am not a fan of raw fish
>> but good Sushi is an art.
>>
>>
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>>
>>
>> Date: 8/23/20 18:52 (GMT+01:00)
>>
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never eaten nor will I ever eat sushi.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
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>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:10 AM glen∉ℂ <gepropella at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the standard rhetoric is that the Dems limit positive
>> freedoms, where the Reps limit negative freedoms.
>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/
>> Though I have lots of problems with this (always false)
>> dichotomy.
>>
>> There are exceptions, of course. Anti-abortion Reps want to
>> limit your ability to get an abortion (a positive liberty),
>> whereas Dems tend to want to limit your cloistering away from
>> people different from you (a negative liberty) [⛧]. But it's
>> a good enough dichotomy for most things. I tend to think of
>> the Dems as constraint-based solvers (inverse map) and Reps
>> as positivists (forward map). Personally, I try to be
>> pluralist and agnostic and choose solvers that seem to have a
>> history of working.
>>
>>
>> [⛧] I'd be happy to live somewhere without any sushi, for
>> example. Those damned Democrats keep trying to force me to
>> eat sushi. 8^D I have the right to live in a sushi-free zone.
>> Don't bring your damned sushi to go plate into the local tap
>> room or I'll be forced to shoot you in the face with my 9mm
>> loaded with 15 hollow points that I trained for a WHOLE HOUR
>> so I can carry it in my pocket.
>>
>> On 8/22/20 5:26 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > What freedoms are Democrats trying to take away? The
>> freedom to dump mine tailings in creeks? That's the one that
>> I can think of.
>>
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