[FRIAM] where are the "patriot hackers"?

Tue Dec 29 16:53:30 EST 2020

Nick writes:
>  But some assertions are bat-shit crazy, and provably so

Knowing some of the background where Merle is coming from: Rights of
Nature, Ecocide Law, etc
<https://medium.com/@pella.thiel/time-for-a-universal-declaration-on-the-rights-of-nature-ad97263a39f4>,
it just may be our current Economic and Scientific paradigms
(Evolution/Competition/Captalism) in Science are literally driving us
batshit crazy.

Provably batshit crazy.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Islands_Act

BTW, I got to the Guano_islands_Act starting from a google search of
"metabolic sovereignty" *  as I thought it might get at Merle's idea
scientificially.

This quickly got me to Marx's metabolic Rift
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_rift> from which the Guano Islands
Act popped up.

-Stephen

* I'm supposed to be writing a paper today that has something to do with
self-sovereign identity in decentralized systems which is why sovereignty
is on my mind.
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:39 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I disagree, Merle.  If we lose faith that there is a truth to be
> found concerning the matters of which we speak *as scientists*, we lose
> everything. When we speak as  poets, etc., of course, we relax that
> constraint.  But what defines science for me is that there are truths to be
> found.  I am pretty sure Glen also disagrees with me, and DaveW and maybe
> Kim, so you are in good company.   If anything characterizes the assault on
> society of the last 4 years, it is the undermining of faith in the notion
> of convergent inquiry.  The first domino to fall was anthropology, in the
> sixties, which led to a mayhem of political correctness and purges that
> destroyed the field.  Sure we have to respect people equally.  Sure we have
> to treat their metaphysical non-sense on a par with our own.  But some
> assertions are bat-shit crazy, and provably so, and if you entertain the
> notion that all assertions are equally true, you might just as well drink
> the kool-aid and climb the  ramp into the space ship, so far as I am
> concerned.   I will wave you a sad good bye because we everybody’s
> shoulders to the truth-wheel if we are to survive.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2020 1:15 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] where are the "patriot hackers"?
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> "True" things about the world beyond the reach of science must be included
> in the expanding dialogue, like a mountain that is also an earth being, or
> forest animals that are spirit masters of their worlds. We can think of
> them as other-than-humans, but they "exist" in indigenous cultures.  They
> are only "beliefs" in ours,  but for those of us who are "Animists", they
> are always present in the dialogue.
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> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 9:40 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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> So, I'm once again down in a rabbit hole over whether Dave's (cautiously
> backed by Kim) idea of a "science of the mind" is reasonable, wherein
> subjective/reflective techniques like psychedelic drugs or meditation can
> say "true" things about the world, particularly that may be beyond the
> reach of science. And there I am reading about Falun Gong <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong> and its "outlets" like The
> Epoch Times, which spew constant nonsense, feeding the delusional QAnon
> narratives:
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> https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-newest-trump-boosted-viral-maga-star-has-ties-to-the-epoch-times
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> And I'm wondering, where are the "patriot hackers" and Anonymous?
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> What happened to all that rigmarole about protecting the world and the
> internet from insidious sh¡t like The Epoch Times? Is it that ostensibly
> white hat members are combating shallow techniques like DDoS so well that
> the script kiddies who used to claim to be Anonymous are outmatched? Maybe
> Assange siding with Trump fractured the group? And what about the Jester <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jester_(hacktivist)>, who was arguably
> more capable than the large majority of hacktivists? Was he hired by the
> NSA and now works alone in a steel cage? Or has his mind been infected by
> the attractive conspiracy theories and persecution complexes we dorks are
> so susceptible to?
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> I feel confident that some of you have some insight! Please share.
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