[FRIAM] alternative response

[Russ Abbott]

Marcus, you write as if you believe that you and others have what we
normally call free will. Yet, that's not how science sees the world. I know
it'd pretty hard not to act that way. Even so, that would seem to confirm
Nick's claim.

-- Russ Abbott
Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles


On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 12:30 PM Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
wrote:

> As someone who was a software something-or-other (engineer, developer,
> whatever) for a decade or three, my view is that the term "software
> engineering" is perhaps a good goal for the field, but has in practice been
> somewhat of a flop. Back in the first AI heyday of the late '70s and early
> '80s when I worked in the field, there was a term used to describe two
> camps/philosophies when applied to AI developers - "neats" and "scruffies".
> Neats were known for developing and applying well thought-out theories,
> while scruffies just wanted to dig in and try stuff. I've never had very
> good math skills or training, so I gravitated toward being a scruffy
> myself. It seems to me that there is at least some parallel between "neat
> vs scruffy" and "engineer vs hacker" mentality in software.
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:21 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ah. So. Very interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, software engineering is not a science. It’s a culture?  There is no
>> right or wrong about it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or, software engineer IS a science.  We proceed best if we assume that
>> there will be, in the long run, a right and a wrong about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the validator of rightness and wrongness in software engineering?
>>
>>
>>
>> N
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>>
>>
>> Nicholas Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:16 PM
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] alternative response
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the point of the herbalist is not that a herb will attack a virus
>> directly, but that herbals will enhance a person's immune system in
>> general, including ability to defend against viruses. That is a little less
>> farfetched than the idea, I think, your comment was directed towards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick,
>>
>>
>>
>> Not as a 'scientist' but merely as a professional and in the discipline
>> of software development. I have substituted my own judgement against the
>> mainstream of Software Engineering since 1968 when SE was invented. My
>> determination to do so is simply the fact that I am right and the rest of
>> the world is insanely wrong.  :)
>>
>>
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am always interested when any of our members – we who are so hard on
>> the “tin hat people” --,  departsfrom scientific orthodoxy.  What
>> determines when a scientist substitutes his own judgement for that of
>> colleagues in other disciplines?  That’s not a rhetorical question.  And,
>> having done that, why would on ever go to a doctor again?  What about Linus
>> Pauling and vitamin C?
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anybody heard from Bruce?  Did he make it across?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] alternative response
>>
>>
>>
>> My time in Amsterdam put me dead center in the Vegan / Vegetarian /
>> Herbal / Alternative Medicine community, with whom I still correspond. I
>> received this book and a strong recommendation from them. Most of the
>> people in that community are following the ideas in the book and claim high
>> effectiveness.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a deep respect for acupuncture and Ayurveda and similar
>> traditions, but am highly skeptical of the "new age" stuff. Nevertheless,
>> in case someone is curious/interested.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Herbal Antivirals: Natural Remedies for Emerging & Resistant Viral
>> Infections*
>>
>>
>>
>> Take control of your health and learn how to use herbs safely and
>> effectively to prevent and fight off a wide range of viral infections,
>> including coronaviruses, SARS, influenza, encephalitis, dengue fever, and
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>> to understanding the antiviral properties of dozens of herbs, backed up by
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>> profiles of the herbs, Buhner provides complete, step-by-step instructions
>> for obtaining high-quality herbs and preparing and using customized herbal
>> formulations for strengthening the immune system and addressing each virus.
>> Discover how these natural remedies can help keep you and your family
>> healthy and strong.
>>
>>
>>
>> davew
>>
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