[FRIAM] alternative response

[Marcus Daniels]

Let's say the cranberry drops on the floor and at that moment a cosmic ray passes through your skull, causing you to experience a visual flash in your peripheral vision.   You might know the risks of leaving food for mice, but you are startled and forget the cranberry.   A mouse in your house eats it and experiences a sugar rush which keeps it up for hours and it chews through some electrical insulation, and your house catches fire.    Oops.   Why did you not exercise free will and retrieve the cranberry?    Aren't your executive functions immune from mere nerve impulses?

On 6/15/20, 9:02 PM, "Friam on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

    So, I exert my free will if and only I do something that could not be anticipated by any generality?  

    Nick 

    Nicholas Thompson
    Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
    Clark University
    ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
    https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/



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    From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
    Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:51 PM
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    `Freedom' from physical laws.

    On 6/15/20, 8:34 PM, "Friam on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

        Marcus, 

        Free from WHAT exactly?  What is having free will freedom FROM?  And what is Will that is not free.  Aren't we having an oxymoron problem?  

        n

        Nicholas Thompson
        Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
        Clark University
        ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
        https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/



        -----Original Message-----
        From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
        Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 6:40 PM
        To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
        Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

        Anyone that says an ABM can display Free Will, running on what we conventionally call a serial computer, is certainly talking about a different concept.      

        On 6/15/20, 5:35 PM, "Friam on behalf of glen∉ℂ" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

            I agree. I doubt it would display free will, too. But it's an interesting question whether it would or not. It's an even more interesting question whether it would *look* like it exhibited free will, which is the question RussA asked.

            On 6/15/20 3:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
            > Ok, I can make an ABM of that.   Surely such an ABM does not display free will.

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