[FRIAM] Virus Cases

Sat Jun 27 16:04:49 EDT 2020

Gary  I don’t know.  I think the person on the list who reads most widely is Glen.  Perhaps he will comment. 

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

 <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

My question is about the knowledge, and state of the science/technology. That is to say, what is the state of knowledge in the medical science community to develop such tests? Would we be a month away? A year? More?

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:11 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Gary, 

Don’t look to the US for any inspiration on testing.  There are still parts where getting a test is not easy. 

N

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

 <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

I wonder what the prospects are for Covid19 testing "entirely at home" in the near future? I'm thinking something like home pregnancy tests or glucose monitoring tests, where you don't have to send a sample away. Such a beast would be especially helpful in the third world, many parts of which don't have any kind of postal service. 

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net <mailto:jofr at cas-group.net> > wrote:

I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

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From: Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> > 

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> > 

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson 

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.  

One of my high-school classmates  (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

David,

nthompson at clarku.edu <mailto:nthompson at clarku.edu>  works just fine or ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>  . 

I am really, REALLY  sorry but I don't think we should meet.  I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.)   With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever. 

It's not that long.  In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically.  We could do our own zoom session.  You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever.  I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.  It is still, for me, a media event.  A cultural meme.  Pray God it remains that way.   

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.". 

You take care!

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com> 

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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