[FRIAM] Political compass teest

Steve Smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Sat Oct 10 21:32:11 EDT 2020 

I don't know how good this media-bias chart is, but I find it
interesting, if not an actual meaningful artifact that there is a bit of
a gap on the right side of the chart between a "little Right" and "a
little Unreliable" to "very Right and Unreliable".    The left seems to
be more of a continuum.   With "all sources" and "all articles" turned
on I found an interesting gestalt.    I have some beef with the way they
characterize Left/Right and Reliable/Unreliable and the way some outlets
are rated, but I'm (mostly) trusting that they have a methodology that
is at least transparent if not one I fully agree with.   But I haven't
bothered to drill down much.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart-2/

On 10/10/20 7:09 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>
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> I'm clocking in at 7 to left and 6 to the anarchistic (down), but find
> this kind of "test" is prone to conflating things I don't like to
> conflate.   Even Myers-Briggs with 4 and Enneagrams with 7? have too
> much of that going on IMO.  
>
> I also don't think this is calibrated well, nor is it necessarily a
> linear metric.   Not trying to dismiss or abuse it, just noting that
> it all deserves some normalization.
>
> I also find that these fit my *personal preferences* for how *I* want
> to live, not necessarily my preferences for how *everyone else* should
> live.   I know a LOT of people who feel a lot safer if they in an
> authoritarian matrix...  it gives them some kind of security to have a
> person, a party, an ideology to defer to.   I also prefer to be a lot
> more generous with others than I think a lot of people naturally do
> (and more than I once did myself)...  it helps if I know them or at
> least have met them in person, but I'm not particularly against a
> whole world full of people who are getting their needs met, either
> through enlightened, individual self-actualization or participation in
> a somewhat more herd/pack/tribe/hive model for meeting those needs.  
> My inner-complexicist gives extra points for a spectrum of diversity
> and scale... rugged anarcho-primitivists all the way to near-hive-like
> naked-mole-rat communes.   Though I suppose I'd rather have a beer
> (mead brewed in a hole in a rock?) with the former than the latter.
>
> If I had a stronger inner-authoritarian I would probably
> contradictorally dictate to all that they must choose an entirely
> anarchistic life which was simultaneously also extremely generous and
> accepting of others... 
>
> I also wonder how most of us would clock in if/when/as we had less
> privilege... it might be possible that the privilege of being a member
> of the first world, most of us male, most of us nominally "white".  
> We might find that if we got caught more often between push and shove,
> we might seek a more authoritarian matrix where nobody else could
> force their personal will on us because the collective/governance will
> was too strong/rigid to allow for it?  We also might find that if we
> felt like we lived in a world of true scarcity, we might not be as
> eager to share... we might be a little more greedy (or more aptly,
> desperate?)...  
>
> - Steve
>
>> Well some of you only seem to be -4.   At least I’m below -6 on both.
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of
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>> Do we all agree at an insanely high level?  Then wtf have we been
>> arguing about all these years.  Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take
>> the test before we bury all our hatchets.
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>> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz
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>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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>> I was pretty much dead center in the lower left quadrant, which was
>> surprising to me. I would have thought I would be in the middle of
>> the whole graph.
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>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gtduncan at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>     Jon, I took it. I'm barely left on economics and strongly
>>     libertarian on social issues
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>>      
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>>     On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:22 PM jon zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>         I just took the political compass test and surprise surprise,
>>         I am a
>>         left-libertarian.
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>>         Take the test here if you are interested:
>>         https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
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