[FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

Sat Aug 21 14:19:20 EDT 2021

Who knew?  The Regeneron antibody treatments for Covid-19 are available and
approved as a treatment or for prophylaxis.  It also sounds like they're
free.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-monoclonal-abbott/2021/08/19/a39a0b5e-0029-11ec-a664-4f6de3e17ff0_story.html

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On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 3:57 PM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
wrote:

> Very good material to work though, Glen, thank you,
>
> I remember reading Walden for the first time when I was somewhat young,
> but not super-young, and thinking “Thoreau, you’re an idiot (or better
> said, a loudmouth)”.
>
> Walk into town to buy a new axe-head every time the material on your old
> one is worn far enough down that you can’t sharpen it any more.  Go
> re-invent iron smelting and then write about it.
>
> Interestingly, within the past 12 hours, somebody sent me a link to a talk
> Nora Bateson gave in Copenhagen about a documentary she made of her father
> and the “ecology of mind” thing:
>  ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8lA8jsQkNw )
>
> I haec no history with this stuff, and her sort-of self-congratulatory
> affect puts me off (or maybe I just wrongly read that into the face of
> somebody I don’t know at all).  But the theme that one wants to perceive
> things heavily in terms of their relations seems like a hard thing to
> object to.  It’s funny, now that I am surrounded on one hand by category
> theorists, and on the other by meditators, that I can parse the same
> conversation as being about two rather different things.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2021, at 12:23 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I couldn't find it earlier, but now I have:
>
> What I learned from an unlikely friendship with an anti-masker
>
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2flifeandstyle%2f2021%2faug%2f19%2fanti-masker-unlikely-friendship&c=E,1,GApCWomC4MnHKQ3-4O79s-zNaaL9x2lWWqXeTwvE2W35KWgALOkLBfSvMg4DaqE9vIy2VgKmRm5uYyS2gT6iKOZRCgmeIrLF-aU1Wu3rLvnkYmEcqUA,&typo=1
>
> It's that article that made me think about the relationship between
> weaponized interdependence and fascism seething underneath a functionally
> equivalent phenotype. In Pandian's article, his friend "Frank" says: “I’m
> good with dividing the country," Frank declares. "One side gets the west
> and one side gets the east. We are self-sufficient. Your side is not." The
> key lies in that interdependence. One of the dominant themes amongst the
> "free speech" crowd, complaining about weaponized interdependence, is their
> blindness to the benefits of interdependence.
>
> Most of the "preppers" I've met will claim up and down they're not racist,
> or anti-government, or blahblah. They claim to just want to be
> self-sufficient, which is laughable to a dork like me who knows the
> logistics behind the tools and weapons they think make them independent.
> Are you really going off grid if you're using tech developed in China or by
> the US funding agencies? But therein lies evidence we're using leaky
> vaccines ... facilitating the functionally neutral, seething fascism.
>
> In the end, the emergence of things like QAnon, the Stop the Steal attack,
> etc. is one side *failing* to weaponize extant interdependence. Forget
> issues like Twitter suspending Trump or the Taliban. Think more like
> competent gun control and *universal* healthcare. Those networks are not
> being weaponized to good effect.
>
> On 8/20/21 6:24 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:
>
> This seems relevant:
>
> Weaponized Interdependence: How Global Economic Networks Shape State
> Coercion
>
> https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/44/1/42/12237/Weaponized-Interdependence-How-Global-Economic
>
> Two other things that seems relevant, particularly to the quorum sensing
> conception, are latent variables in causal inference and neutral networks
> in evolution. Rebecca's recent video essay on leaky vaccines may also ring
> some bells: https://youtu.be/_J-zWtoG9ZM, which seems akin to the
> relationship between disinfectants and hospital super bugs.
>
>
> On 8/19/21 10:52 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
> I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy.  Marcus is right;
> what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in jail for
> not really anything seemed like a good idea?
>
> Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning
> signals”, using analysis of the magnitude-frequency distributions of
> collective fluctuations to predict “tipping points”.  We hear about Rosa
> Parks.  We don’t (unless we work in the area) understand the long string of
> events that preceded, and in important ways, led up to Rosa Parks and made
> the event she precipitated possible.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com <mailto:
> sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> EricS
>
>
> Fascist Quorum Sensing
>
>
> When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a brief
> connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference  it, though more
> specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice.   Having once been a holder
> of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that level/style of clearance
> would give him the kind of insider information attributed to him/her/them
> was absurd.   Some of the other clearances, *maybe*, but not obviously the
> 'Q'.
>
> The news today with the lame-O-bomber wannabe kicked off another round of
> DHS/domestic-terror-watch warnings that another "quorum" is trying to rise
> up.   The (liberal) news media is giving lip-service to not "amplifying"
> his signal, etc.
>
> Seems like something similar  (but not responsibly scientific) about how
> the Taliban was able to flip the whole country almost overnight is afoot.
>
> - SteveS
>
>
> (For those who don’t do this for a living, the reference is to the
> phenomenon in bacteria like Anthrax (B. anthracis), which will multiply
> inside a victim for many generations with no real chemical activity besides
> a normal parasitic metabolism, but will secrete signaling chemicals.  When
> those chemicals hit a threshold concentration because the population has
> multiplied enough, which the bacteria all know because they all have the
> same genome, they switch state, turn on the chemical attack machinery, and
> dissolve the victim on a timescale far too short for any inflammatory or
> immune response to do much about them.)
>
> Google does not show anyone as having used it yet, even though it is a
> no-brainer.
>
> The idea being to say something productive about the abruptness of it all.
>
>
> From Gingrich and Norquist up through end-2020, the right thought its best
> strategy was to do the usual dissembling and dogwhistling, just at higher
> intensity.  Something has switched and they think this —specifically — is
> the time to make a run for it and to parade the fascism instead.
>
> While the strategic-games crowd (and military people etc.) will say they
> have long written about shifting modes, the idea that there can be an
> unplanned component at the popular level akin to quorum sensing might have
> something to be said of it.
>
> Even on the question of whether trump mattered, I can see a sort of SFI
> angle on it, with the idea of “slow timescale variables” that Jessica Flack
> makes central to the rubric that for a while (perhaps still) she was
> calling “construction dynamics”.  The idea that a sort of order-parameter
> stuck thing can smooth out fluctuations and make an inference problem
> easier and more stable, or a transition in domains more likely.  Here the
> fast variables would have been the Lindsay Graham characters, who flutter
> like day-traders among all possible positions, trying to guess from minute
> to minute what is safe.  Those guys would not have put Steven Miller’s face
> on TV, because they would have judged that he was too ugly to use.
>
> Enter trump, whose 2024 motto can be “The Worse, The Better”, who said “I
> can make ugly work.”  But it didn’t change the system state in a few
> months, or even in a year.  The flutterers took years of reassurance, and a
> couple of election cycles, before they switched from the lysogenic to the
> lytic phase.  Without trump as a slow variable, would the flutterers have
> continued to flutter a while longer?  Can one say anything about that that
> has any scientific worth, and isn’t just firing off buzzwords?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:
> marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>
> Eric writes:
>
> “I have wondered whether trump in the presidency was like an adjuvant in a
> vaccine.  Just having the antigen leaves room for highly variable
> responses, because if you don’t manage the inflammatory response that
> initiates the immune response, you have only a weak control system.  Trump
> was so awful in so many dimensions that he triggers inflammation in those
> who would have remained asleep under Clinton.”
>
> The mask protests like this one..
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn
> <
> https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn
> >
>
> ..strike me as something that M. Night Shyamalan could not even invent.
> Say the guy at 1:40.
> I should be thinking of these folks as my fellow citizens?   Really?
>
> Is it just me or is maybe the “inflammation” getting a little out of
> control?  For example,
> the other day I was driving down a narrow part of the road in my
> residential area and pulled off to the side to let a car pass that was
> coming the other way.   He (white middle-aged man) was not signaling, but
> as soon as I spent five seconds off the side to let him pass he started
> screaming at me and waving his fist out the car window.   Apparently I had
> dared to block his driveway.   Is it really that hard for some people to
> get through their day?
>
> It increasingly seems to me that maybe there is just all this crazy just
> below the surface, and all that can be done is to keep the inflammation
> down.
>
> Marcus
>
>
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