[FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

Steve Smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Fri Aug 20 11:54:33 EDT 2021 

EricS -

Thanks for the reference to Scheffer.   I was not aware of any of his
work except his participation in Rockstrom, et al's 2009 Planetary
Boundaries: Safe Operating Space <https://www.nature.com/articles/461472a>.

I now have

    Mutualistic Communities
<https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ele.13401>

    Superorganisms
<https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ele.13289>

and his most recent

 Resilience of Pueblo Societies
<https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/118/18/e2024397118.full.pdf>

on my pile!

- SteveS


   

https://scholar.google.nl/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=cXmbPusAAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=cXmbPusAAAAJ:ujxm2eEBZHIC

> Thanks Steve,
>
> I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy.  Marcus is
> right; what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in
> jail for not really anything seemed like a good idea?
>
> Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning
> signals”, using analysis of the magnitude-frequency distributions of
> collective fluctuations to predict “tipping points”.  We hear about
> Rosa Parks.  We don’t (unless we work in the area) understand the long
> string of events that preceded, and in important ways, led up to Rosa
> Parks and made the event she precipitated possible.
>
> Eric
>
>
>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com
>> <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
>>
>> EricS
>>>
>>> Fascist Quorum Sensing
>>
>> When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a
>> brief connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference  it, though
>> more specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice.   Having once
>> been a holder of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that
>> level/style of clearance would give him the kind of insider
>> information attributed to him/her/them was absurd.   Some of the
>> other clearances, *maybe*, but not obviously the 'Q'.
>>
>> The news today with the lame-O-bomber wannabe kicked off another
>> round of DHS/domestic-terror-watch warnings that another "quorum" is
>> trying to rise up.   The (liberal) news media is giving lip-service
>> to not "amplifying" his signal, etc.
>>
>> Seems like something similar  (but not responsibly scientific) about
>> how the Taliban was able to flip the whole country almost overnight
>> is afoot.  
>>
>> - SteveS
>>
>>>
>>> (For those who don’t do this for a living, the reference is to the
>>> phenomenon in bacteria like Anthrax (B. anthracis), which will
>>> multiply inside a victim for many generations with no real chemical
>>> activity besides a normal parasitic metabolism, but will secrete
>>> signaling chemicals.  When those chemicals hit a threshold
>>> concentration because the population has multiplied enough, which
>>> the bacteria all know because they all have the same genome, they
>>> switch state, turn on the chemical attack machinery, and dissolve
>>> the victim on a timescale far too short for any inflammatory or
>>> immune response to do much about them.)
>>>
>>> Google does not show anyone as having used it yet, even though it is
>>> a no-brainer.
>>>
>>> The idea being to say something productive about the abruptness of
>>> it all.  
>>>
>>> From Gingrich and Norquist up through end-2020, the right thought
>>> its best strategy was to do the usual dissembling and dogwhistling,
>>> just at higher intensity.  Something has switched and they think
>>> this —specifically — is the time to make a run for it and to parade
>>> the fascism instead.  
>>>
>>> While the strategic-games crowd (and military people etc.) will say
>>> they have long written about shifting modes, the idea that there can
>>> be an unplanned component at the popular level akin to quorum
>>> sensing might have something to be said of it.
>>>
>>> Even on the question of whether trump mattered, I can see a sort of
>>> SFI angle on it, with the idea of “slow timescale variables” that
>>> Jessica Flack makes central to the rubric that for a while (perhaps
>>> still) she was calling “construction dynamics”.  The idea that a
>>> sort of order-parameter stuck thing can smooth out fluctuations and
>>> make an inference problem easier and more stable, or a transition in
>>> domains more likely.  Here the fast variables would have been the
>>> Lindsay Graham characters, who flutter like day-traders among all
>>> possible positions, trying to guess from minute to minute what is
>>> safe.  Those guys would not have put Steven Miller’s face on TV,
>>> because they would have judged that he was too ugly to use.
>>>
>>> Enter trump, whose 2024 motto can be “The Worse, The Better”, who
>>> said “I can make ugly work.”  But it didn’t change the system state
>>> in a few months, or even in a year.  The flutterers took years of
>>> reassurance, and a couple of election cycles, before they switched
>>> from the lysogenic to the lytic phase.  Without trump as a slow
>>> variable, would the flutterers have continued to flutter a while
>>> longer?  Can one say anything about that that has any scientific
>>> worth, and isn’t just firing off buzzwords?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
>>>> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Eric writes:
>>>>  
>>>> “I have wondered whether trump in the presidency was like an
>>>> adjuvant in a vaccine.  Just having the antigen leaves room for
>>>> highly variable responses, because if you don’t manage the
>>>> inflammatory response that initiates the immune response, you have
>>>> only a weak control system.  Trump was so awful in so many
>>>> dimensions that he triggers inflammation in those who would have
>>>> remained asleep under Clinton.”
>>>>  
>>>> The mask protests like this one..
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn
>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn>
>>>>  
>>>> ..strike me as something that M. Night Shyamalan could not even
>>>> invent.   Say the guy at 1:40.
>>>> I should be thinking of these folks as my fellow citizens?   Really?
>>>>  
>>>> Is it just me or is maybe the “inflammation” getting a little out
>>>> of control?  For example,
>>>> the other day I was driving down a narrow part of the road in my
>>>> residential area and pulled off to the side to let a car pass that
>>>> was coming the other way.   He (white middle-aged man) was not
>>>> signaling, but as soon as I spent five seconds off the side to let
>>>> him pass he started screaming at me and waving his fist out the car
>>>> window.   Apparently I had dared to block his driveway.   Is it
>>>> really that hard for some people to get through their day?
>>>>  
>>>> It increasingly seems to me that maybe there is just all this crazy
>>>> just below the surface, and all that can be done is to keep the
>>>> inflammation down.
>>>>  
>>>> Marcus
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