[FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

[Eric Charles]

I'm fine with anti-drunk driving laws,  but against wearing-seatbelt laws.
And either way,  it's the crazy mentality I am most abundantly against.

If you resent the existence of drunk drivers,  *because* you think they are
somehow forcing you to drive sober,  that's really weird.

Ditto if you make the meme about seatbelts.

Proudly owning your decision to put others first makes sense.  But the
mentality in the comic is toxic,  and should be avoided.




On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 12:39 PM cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com> wrote:

> As a thought experiment, imagine that the person in the cartoon is walking
> through a group of drunk people getting into their cars. Does the cartoon
> still bother you or is it somehow related to the politics behind masks?
>
> The laws against drunk driving is also an authoritarian rule that limits
> my liberty. Even seat belt laws limit my liberty. Is it wrong to agree with
> some authoritarians when they make sense?
>
> Cody Smith
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:51 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I stand by the flag of Bleeding Heart Liberalism ready to do battle with
>> you guys.
>>
>>
>>
>> n
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>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:06 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus,
>>
>> It does take the "bleeding hearts" some time to get to "othering". That
>> said, it's been a while since this started, and the vast majority I know
>> are there now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 4:47 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nah, it takes the bleeding hearts some time to get to othering.   They
>> need some moral support to do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 27, 2021 12:51 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas
>>
>>
>>
>> We talk politics sometimes and the "liberal paradox" has come up. This
>> seems like a variation on that. I've seen this comic for half a year now,
>> and it bugs me every time.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is 1) an arrogance to "RIGHT THING", 2) an assumption that anyone
>> acting differently than you cannot have any explanation for their behavior
>> other than selfish idiocy, and 3) a self-centered belief that their
>> behavior is somehow a factor of you, rather than a choice of their own.
>> Even worse than those, 4) there is some fundamental lack of
>> decision-ownership that leads to some insidious places: The assertion that
>> what others are doing leads you to "have to" do something --- HAVE TO ---
>> rather than it being one of many factors that play into your *choosing *to
>> do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm vaccinated, and I wear a mask in public, and I dislike everything
>> this comic seems to be standing for. It is *anti*-liberal. It reveals
>> deeply authoritarian leanings, and a firm dedication to "othering" those
>> around you.
>>
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