[FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Thu Jan 7 18:37:38 EST 2021
Kinda like the villain in a melodrama that spends the entire "last act"
dying dramatically.
On 1/7/21 3:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> One of the senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh once said to my wife
> that nothing is sadder than the last act of a narcissist.
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> "Act" as a metaphor for part of a play. I will be interested to learn
> whether I will have empathy for Trump during his last act.
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> Frank
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> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 3:40 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
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> The feeling must at least be bounded – it is simulated and
> controlled. One is trying to get the upper hand.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:36 PM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> It states that making a connection by showing the target empathy
> is a great way to get past defenses and obtain more credible
> information than torture — and it said this long before CIA idiots
> decided that waterboarding was the way to go.
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> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, at 1:21 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com
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> I wonder what the cia handbook says about empathy during
> interrogation.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:41 PM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> If the CIA builds up a dossier on the foibles of a foreign
> leader and possible ways to manipulate that leader, I would
> not call that empathy. Can one get in the skin of another
> without feeling their pain or validating it? I think one
> certainly can, and that it can be better to do that in many
> situations.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:29 AM
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> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> Does seeing imply visual vulnerability? Hearing imply
> auditory vulnerability? Well, I suppose. Any time we make
> ourselves open to information, I suppose we are in some sense
> vulnerable. But aren’t we also impowered? Feelings only make
> one vulnerable if one fails to process them.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:03 PM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> A problem with empathy is that it typically understood to be a
> “feeling”. Feeling means offering vulnerability. The
> class of people we are discussing should not be offered
> that. They should be shown, in a calm and steady manner, to
> a bland government bus after the empathy value is firmly in
> the off position.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:51 AM
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> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
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> Well, I hate to shortcut a perfectly good argument, but I
> think, now, we agree. If you concede that empathy is a form
> of perception whose value as information cannot be denied, I
> can readily agree that so focusing on one’s empathy as to
> avoid all other sources of information is dangerous and
> stupid /and cloying. /
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:39 AM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> Sure, I use my eyes and visual cortex to judge the speed of an
> oncoming car. But I shouldn’t model that last fractions of a
> second before impact in luxurious detail. That’s suicidal. I
> should step on the brakes or the gas to avoid the collision.
> That’s what all this empathy talk strikes me as – giving
> dangerous people so many mental cycles that they do collide
> into you. Wringing ones hands before victimization is
> complete. No, take the mental cycles and develop some tactics
> and strategy for preventing these people from being dangerous.
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> I only mention Ted Cruz because he seems a slightly
> interesting person, in a sort of satanic way. Most of the
> others are mad dogs as far as I am concerned.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:30 AM
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> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
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> Marcus,
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> You could not have written what you wrote here, with it’s
> searing pointedness, without empathy. Empathy is not an
> ideology; is an organ of perception.
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:05 AM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> The prior reflections by Glen on young adulthood makes me
> wonder about Ted’s. Was there a particular point at which he
> decided to be a public person and that he realized he could
> find an angle in any situation? Did he anticipate what his
> life would become, or did he just fall into it? Sometimes it
> seems like he doesn’t even enjoy it. It seems there is no
> objective distance he gets from his nihilism. There’s just
> always the next thing he has to do.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:53 AM
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> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.
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> Bret Stephens, a NYT columnist, described Ted Cruz as “a
> serpent covered in Vaseline” . Will I ever get that image out
> of my head?
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
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