[FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

[Marcus Daniels]

Why did yahoos so easily penetrate the capitol security?   Either the police were incompetent, mis-deployed, or they let this happen.  

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of ? glen
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

Your exuberant confidence always catches me off guard. I mean, I largely agree with you. But, as usual, my confidence in my own opinion is vanishingly small compared to yours. Anyway, here are some articles that help me doubt my opinion:

https://www.propublica.org/article/capitol-rioters-planned-for-weeks-in-plain-sight-the-police-werent-ready#1040996

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/06/washington-2021-legislative-session/

https://pugetsoundanarchists.org/evergreen-state-patriots-new-graphics-and-details/

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2021/01/christian-who-breached-capitol-says-rioters-did-what-they-had-to-do/

To boot, your confidence in your opinion that the risk was/is low may be more evidence of below, despite your disagreement re Trump:

https://undark.org/2021/01/07/science-trump-grip-white-male-effect/

I think we should be conservative and assume the risk is very high, even if I think it's actually low. Dave may be right that these are mostly yahoos. But practice makes perfect. Treat this like an exercise for the future when it may not be yahoos.


On January 7, 2021 8:07:16 PM PST, Eric Charles <eric.phillip.charles at gmail.com> wrote:
>(My take, copy-paste from other social media, a around 10 pm yesterday)
>
>Someone posted something asking for positive thoughts and things we are 
>hopeful for (to contrast the news cycle), but honestly:
>All considered, so far I'm hopeful for exactly the things others find 
>heavy. There were a few thousand peaceful protestors in DC and at the 
>absolute most a few hundred who wanted to cause trouble. And it looks 
>like it's done. Honestly, that's WAY less violence than I was worried 
>about, and it looks like it's petered out already. I get that the 
>symbolism of it happening at the Capitol is particularly disturbing, 
>but it's not an honest threat of a coup, it's not an uprising, and I'm 
>less worried about those things now than I was before.
>I seriously thought there would be incidents like this an 20-30 
>locations, that many of the protestors would be armed and intent on 
>firing, that they would be prepared to lay siege to buildings, etc. I 
>think the delayed declaration of the winner took much of the wind out 
>of both sides.
>For those watching from abroad, this is NOT in any way a serious coup 
>attempt. If you are watching news spinning it that way... well.. it 
>just wasn't. I am already seeing the news cycle rewriting it to be more 
>than it was. Even with a person shot and several arrests, in a country 
>of
>330,000,000 people, at most a few hundred hoodlums acting like idiots 
>is not a coup. Those individuals could potentially be charged with some 
>pretty serious crimes, but they were not in any way an organized group 
>trying to incite insurrection, and it now seems clear that no bigger 
>group with that goal is arising anytime soon. They had no military 
>backing, no internal structure, no actual agenda. They had nothing.
>
>There wasn't even enough resolve to stay in the DC streets past the 6 
>pm curfew. There isn't a fraction of the resolve shown by the BLM 
>protestors, Occupy Wallstreet, or even the Bundy's in that Wildlife 
>Refuge stand off.
>They are angry, they are willing to break things, but have no agenda 
>and no resolve.
>
>Had the Capitol had a few score more police officers (which they 
>obviously should have), it sure seems like this would have been 
>nothing.
>
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glen ⛧

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