[FRIAM] it's world logic day!

Thu Jan 14 20:06:25 EST 2021

Gary,

I sent this to Nick offlist.  I think we're on the same page.

" Who is the American logician you cite?

My opinion is that that formal logic is an axiomatic system and a part of
pure mathematics.  As such it has nothing to do with the world which is the
subject of empirical science except that sometimes it can be a model of
reasoning."

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:57 PM Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
wrote:

> I would have thought that most members of FRIAM, when speaking of logic,
> are referring to the mathematical and/or computational concept of
> propositional logic, which has little if anything to do with a human
> dimension. You know, modus ponens, modus tollens, etc. Logic in that sense
> would exist even without the existence of biological beings (e.g. Homo
> sapiens) that use it as a part (not the only part) of their thinking
> process. But maybe I'm not grokking what y'all are talking about.
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:55 PM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No, Nick. Thinking logically is just not thinking holistically, it misses
>> the whole enchilada, and one of the reasons we're doomed--clumsy, but the
>> best I have time to come up with now.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:24 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Merle,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the objection you have to logic flows from the misunderstanding
>>> of what logic is.  If you define logic is thinking that leads to truth,
>>> then any thinking that leads to truth is logical, and the project of Logic
>>> Studies is the project of finding out what sorts of thinking lead that
>>> way.  So, I would re-interpret your objection to be that logic, as we know
>>> it, is so constrained as to be dangerous and misleading.  I don’t want us
>>> to give up on truth-seeking – as the pragmatists understood truth.  [Glen,
>>> I stipulate your objections.]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2021 11:00 AM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I find this celebration very disturbing and even dangerous at a time
>>> when some are beginning to realize that logic alone is bereft of the
>>> complexity of all the ways of being in a more-than-human world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Glen,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s nice to know that logic is being celebrated.  Still – surprise!—I
>>> have a correction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Logic ... [is] the principles of [right] reasoning,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny how, this article, a celebration of logic, buggers the definition
>>> of logic, leaving out it’s ethical dimension.  Well, unless one believes
>>> that specious or fallacious logic is “logical”, logic is “good” thought,
>>> i.e. thought that leads probably to the truth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of EthologTy and Psychology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:48 AM
>>> To: FriAM <friam at redfish.com>
>>> Subject: [FRIAM] it's world logic day!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.unesco.org/commemorations/worldlogicday
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > The ability to think is one of the most defining features of
>>> humankind. In different cultures, the definition of humanity is associated
>>> with concepts such as consciousness, knowledge and reason. According to the
>>> classic western tradition, human beings are defined as “rational” or
>>> “logical animals”. Logic, as the investigation on the principles of
>>> reasoning, has been studied by many civilizations throughout history and,
>>> since its earliest formulations, logic has played an important role in the
>>> development of philosophy and the sciences.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Despite its undeniable relevance to the development of knowledge,
>>> sciences and technologies, there is little public awareness on the
>>> importance of logic. The proclamation of World Logic Day by UNESCO, in
>>> association with the International Council for Philosophy and Human
>>> Sciences (CIPSH), intends to bring the intellectual history, conceptual
>>> significance and practical implications of logic to the attention of
>>> interdisciplinary science communities and the broader public.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > A dynamic and global annual celebration of World Logic Day aims at
>>> fostering international cooperation, promoting the development of logic, in
>>> both research and teaching, supporting the activities of associations,
>>> universities and other institutions involved with logic, and enhancing
>>> public understanding of logic and its implications for science, technology
>>> and innovation. Furthermore, the celebration of World Logic Day can also
>>> contribute to the promotion of a culture of peace, dialogue and mutual
>>> understanding, based on the advancement of education and science.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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