[FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

[Steve Smith]

Russ -

I think you are suggesting that "better thread hygiene" would
allow/encourage you (and perhaps others) to participate more/better? 

I experience (as well) that I give up on some threads when they bend
abruptly (even if I'm one of the worst offenders).   When Owen was
present (or active) he tried to keep us (more) honest, but it *does*
feel that we have abandoned care on the topic.

As a minor bend, I have been studying the question of how the paradigms
developed in computer engineering (and allied fields) for branching
document/source/content management can be applied in more real-world
situations.   This problem (thread-wander/bending/splatter) is but one
symptom.  

I hope we can do better here...  

- Steve

On 1/28/21 11:18 AM, Russ Abbott wrote:
> Hi, (breaking the eerie silence)
>
> I'm still here. This thread illustrates why I rarely post these days.
> I liked Nick's original post asking non-posters to say something. But
> I found the ensuing discussion of spam not very interesting. If that
> discussion were to be carried on at all, it should have been in
> another thread, leaving this one to its original purpose.
>
> A feature that you probably can't implement would be to allow readers
> to mark threads as non-interesting, which would exclude them from that
> reader's stream.
> _
> _
> __-- Russ Abbott                                      
> Professor, Computer Science
> California State University, Los Angeles
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:04 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com
> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     This all reminds me of a point I *thought* Jon made about the
>     death of the DJ. But now I can't find that post. A friend of mine
>     insists he hates the radio. On the surface, it sounds like a
>     typical complaint about being "constantly interrupted by twelve
>     dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper". But I think it goes
>     deeper ... into QAnon territory. Being *part* of the game, as
>     opposed to a mere consumer of it, is an important part of social
>     reality. Some of us spend more time in a state of transcendent
>     calm, content to watch or ignore some process. Others tend to get
>     in and stir things up, send out rhizomes. Some of us feel helpless
>     when the dancing rabbits come on, our individualism shattered.
>     Some of us revel in the absurdity of it. And some of us sing along
>     because the jingle is an ear worm.
>
>     Scammers robocall me at least once per day. Inspired by the many
>     scambaiters on youtube, I almost always press 1 to get my credit
>     card rate lowered or to get that refund for the MacBook I didn't
>     buy and have a long-ish conversation with them. After several
>     attempts to get me to tell them my CC number [⛧], the "manager"
>     yesterday finally told me to "fvck off". I'm like "You called
>     me!?!" And he hung up. Ha! My time is even less precious than
>     theirs. I can't help but wonder what his "employees" lives are
>     like. Was the 1st guy on the call just as much a victim of his
>     boss as I am? More? Or do they all live like Kings from the
>     thousands of dollars they steal from the elderly?
>
>
>     [⛧] We have this terrible noise problem on our landline that's not
>     due to unfiltered DSL. Renee' wants me to get rid of it. I'm not
>     motivated to because it helps me tease the scammers. "Is that
>     noise on your end? Hang on, let me try something ... [set the
>     phone down and reduce some sim output] ... Is that better? Oh
>     well, now what were you asking?"
>
>     On 1/28/21 9:29 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
>     > I don't let my spam filter automatically file my spam...  I visually
>     > scan the subjects and senders and depend on my peripheral vision to
>     > notice spam markers... if something is suspected spam but *isn't* I
>     > notice pretty close to real-time which means that there isn't a
>     lot of
>     > negative reinforcement for false-positives.   I also try to be
>     > thoughtful about what I mark as spam... I don't for example,
>     call things
>     > I simply am not interested in as spam.  Before I do a "delete
>     spam" or
>     > "move marked to spam folder" I scan again, just on principle...
>     I *very*
>     > rarely catch anything in that scan but you know "belt and
>     suspenders"....
>     >
>     > I try to limit who I "subscribe" to and then whack-a-mole the allies
>     > that seem to spill over.  ActBlue and/or ButtigeigForPrez and/or
>     > BernieIsSoCoolItHurts seem to have gleefully given my e-mail
>     address to
>     > another half-dozen or so other campaigns (DitchMitch,
>     MakeGeorgiaBlue,
>     > OMGtheRedStatesAreComing, etc.) who then flooded me.   For a
>     while they
>     > were a hydra it seemed... and I WAS tempted to overtrain my spam
>     filter
>     > and send it direct to a folder or trash but got through it
>     without doing
>     > that.  
>     >
>     > Finally, after November I started unsubscribing from the campaigns I
>     > knew I'd opted into (even if by sly accident) and included an
>     admonition
>     > that if THEY were the source of all the side-spam, they should
>     rethink,
>     > because it ended up *inhibiting* my support for their
>     cause(s)... though
>     > I am not sure that was very significant.
>
>     On 1/28/21 9:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>     > Some readers want novelty -- they are channel flippers -- and
>     others are looking for an activity or even a process.    And then
>     there is a range in between.    I'd guess Roger and Nick on
>     opposite ends of that spectrum.   I'm a channel flipper until I
>     see something that looks like an itch to scratch or something to
>     puzzle over -- a good distraction.
>
>
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