[FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

[Pieter Steenekamp]

Thanks a lot for the references Glen; this seems valuable information. I'll
study it carefully and then comment on it.

Pieter

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 16:48, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ooops. I forgot to include this link:
>
> Therapeutics and COVID-19: living guideline
> https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-therapeutics-2021.1
>
> On 6/17/21 7:44 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:
> > Excellent! Stripped of the kvetching about "censorship" and "darkhorse
> podcast" nonsense, you're getting closer to a testable hypothesis. I
> encourage you to take a look at some of the clinical trials for the
> alternatives you're talking about. E.g.
> https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Covid19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=
> >
> > You'll notice that they (try to) list *several* outcomes. That you have
> some calculus that shows how those outcomes aggregate to be "in total
> better than getting vaccinated" is a *strong* claim. You've provided no
> evidence whatsoever. What is your calculus for comparing the regimens? You
> won't be able to provide that evidence UNTIL you're more specific and
> concrete about which outcomes you hold most prominent.
> >
> > You also need to be specific about the circumstances. E.g. in the
> ivermectin case, what *cocktail* of treatments did you include alongside
> ivermectin? In one study, they're using ivermectin, hydroxychloraquine,
> favipiravir, and azithromycin. Are the benefits and/or adverse effects
> linearly decomposable from the cocktail? Perhaps your doctor doesn't have
> access to 1 or more of the ingredients. How might that affect the outcomes?
> >
> > These are all excellent questions and I laud you for launching into the
> effort of justifying those regimens over the vaccine. I welcome that
> evidence.
> >
> > Obviously, where the vaccine is unavailable but one or more of the
> reasonably justified alternatives is available, it's a no-brainer. Do what
> your doctor tells you to do. But where the vaccine is free and easy, the
> alternative therapies have a high bar to jump. And I'm glad you're willing
> to tell us which of those therapies are "in total better". I'm anxious to
> hear about them.
> >
> >
> > On 6/16/21 8:07 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:
> >> The next point is that there is evidence of alternative measures
> against the virus that are in total better than getting vaccinated.
> >
>
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