[FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

[Pieter Steenekamp]

I don't know if this web site is reliable. How can I find out?

https://c19ivermectin.com/

They claim :

85% improvement in 14 prophylaxis trials RR 0.15 (0.09-0.25) when using
Ivermectin for Covid-19

They link to a database of all ivermectin Covid-19 studies. They claim 60
trials, 549 scientists, 18931 patients, 31 randomised controlled trials.
It's going to take reasonable amount of time and effort to verify their
results





On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 17:18, Pieter Steenekamp <pieters at randcontrols.co.za>
wrote:

> Thanks a lot for the references Glen; this seems valuable information.
> I'll study it carefully and then comment on it.
>
> Pieter
>
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 16:48, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ooops. I forgot to include this link:
>>
>> Therapeutics and COVID-19: living guideline
>> https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-therapeutics-2021.1
>>
>> On 6/17/21 7:44 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:
>> > Excellent! Stripped of the kvetching about "censorship" and "darkhorse
>> podcast" nonsense, you're getting closer to a testable hypothesis. I
>> encourage you to take a look at some of the clinical trials for the
>> alternatives you're talking about. E.g.
>> https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Covid19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=
>> >
>> > You'll notice that they (try to) list *several* outcomes. That you have
>> some calculus that shows how those outcomes aggregate to be "in total
>> better than getting vaccinated" is a *strong* claim. You've provided no
>> evidence whatsoever. What is your calculus for comparing the regimens? You
>> won't be able to provide that evidence UNTIL you're more specific and
>> concrete about which outcomes you hold most prominent.
>> >
>> > You also need to be specific about the circumstances. E.g. in the
>> ivermectin case, what *cocktail* of treatments did you include alongside
>> ivermectin? In one study, they're using ivermectin, hydroxychloraquine,
>> favipiravir, and azithromycin. Are the benefits and/or adverse effects
>> linearly decomposable from the cocktail? Perhaps your doctor doesn't have
>> access to 1 or more of the ingredients. How might that affect the outcomes?
>> >
>> > These are all excellent questions and I laud you for launching into the
>> effort of justifying those regimens over the vaccine. I welcome that
>> evidence.
>> >
>> > Obviously, where the vaccine is unavailable but one or more of the
>> reasonably justified alternatives is available, it's a no-brainer. Do what
>> your doctor tells you to do. But where the vaccine is free and easy, the
>> alternative therapies have a high bar to jump. And I'm glad you're willing
>> to tell us which of those therapies are "in total better". I'm anxious to
>> hear about them.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/16/21 8:07 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:
>> >> The next point is that there is evidence of alternative measures
>> against the virus that are in total better than getting vaccinated.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>>
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