[FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

Sat Jun 19 15:04:41 EDT 2021

I'm asplenic. Maybe I should have taken that into account.  The spleen's
share had to go somewhere.

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 12:40 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and
> big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)
>
> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is
> deceptive.
>
> Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph
> omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than
> the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid)
> that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of
> injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen,
> it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine,
> and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48
> h.
>
> I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is
> attached.
>
> The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the
> injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the
> injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093%
> of the injected material.
>
> That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the
> information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine,
> or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it
>> isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
>> Steenekamp
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid
>> vaccinations
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Marcus.
>>
>> It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr
>> Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a
>> screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.
>>
>> It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the
>> report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is
>> very concerned.
>>
>> From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and obviously
>> in the context of much other information, you are not concerned and I am.
>>
>> Pieter
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 %
>> were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.
>>  Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%)
>> where enzymes chew it up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
>> Steenekamp
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid
>> vaccinations
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no
>> stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an
>> "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works
>> in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much
>> associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to
>> point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology.
>>
>> My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr
>> Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the
>> explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a
>> different conclusion.
>>
>> Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to
>> discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <
>> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different
>> than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets
>> vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the
>> upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking
>> place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid
>> vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e
>> body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a
>> large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
>> "Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's explanation
>> sounds to me like a serious scientists
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having
>> trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.
>>
>> I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!
>>
>>
>> On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <
>> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
>> >Thank you Glen,
>> >
>> >I reread the article you posted
>> >
>> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>> >and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>> >vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>> >vaccines:
>> >The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>> >still
>> >available:
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>> >
>> >After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>> >a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>> >conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>> >b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>> >vaccination
>> >technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>> >Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>> >him. I
>> >don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>> >article.
>> >
>> >Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>> >specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>> >about
>> >the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>> >in
>> >future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>> >after a
>> >new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>> >last
>> >half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>> >against virus infections even further.
>> >
>> >We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>> >own
>> >judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>> >article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>> >going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>> >
>> >In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>> >in
>> >"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>> >
>> >Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>> >in
>> >general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>> >with
>> >you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>> >interpret
>> >the information.
>> >
>> >Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>> >was
>> >referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>> >to
>> >develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>> >governments.
>> >
>> >About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>> >guilty
>> >as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>> >But
>> >please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>> >presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>> >positive spirit.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> glen ⛧
>>
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