[FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

Sat Jun 19 15:49:35 EDT 2021

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 3:05 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm asplenic. Maybe I should have taken that into account.  The spleen's
> share had to go somewhere.
>
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> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 12:40 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nice, Roger.   So maybe it is not a grand conspiracy by the Chinese and
>> big pharma to thin the population.  (See Utopia on Amazon.)
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Peeter's graph showing a high concentration in the ovaries at 48 hours is
>> deceptive.
>>
>> Examining https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf shows that Peeter's graph
>> omits all the data points in the original dataset that were greater than
>> the 12.3 µg/g (or µg/mL, not just mL, parts per million of tritiated lipid)
>> that the ovaries reached at 48 hours.  Aside from the major reservoirs of
>> injected material such as the injection point, the liver, and the spleen,
>> it also omits the adrenal glands, the small intestine, the large intestine,
>> and the lungs all of which had higher concentrations than the ovaries at 48
>> h.
>>
>> I lost interest in redoing the graph, but the data table in text form is
>> attached.
>>
>> The highest point on the graph of the complete data set is 394 at the
>> injection site at 1 h after injection, estimated to be 52.6% of the
>> injected material.  The ovary datapoint at 48 h is estimated to be 0.093%
>> of the injected material.
>>
>> That's from simply comparing the numbers in the source table to the
>> information presented in Peeter's graph, no chemistry, biology, medicine,
>> or pharmaceutical knowledge is required.
>>
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>> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Remember that the spike proteins are anchored on the cells and that it
>>> isn’t resulting in replication.   It isn’t clear what the y axis refers to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
>>> Steenekamp
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 10:01 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid
>>> vaccinations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Marcus.
>>>
>>> It seems like the authors of the study report you referenced and dr
>>> Robert Malone worked from the same data. See attached png file of a
>>> screenshot I made of the video where he discussed this issue.
>>>
>>> It's just that they came to different conclusions. The authors of the
>>> report you referenced are not concerned about it whilst dr Robert Malone is
>>> very concerned.
>>>
>>> From my perspective it's okay if based on this information, and
>>> obviously in the context of much other information, you are not
>>> concerned and I am.
>>>
>>> Pieter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:57, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On page 47 a radioactive marker was used to track the mRNA, and < 0.1 %
>>> were found in the ovaries and adrenal glands.  1% was found in the spleen.
>>>  Some was circuited in the plasma, and that ends up in the liver (21.5%)
>>> where enzymes chew it up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
>>> Steenekamp
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 2:27 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid
>>> vaccinations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to continue; "your" article mainly addresses "antivaxxers". By no
>>> stretch of the imagination can dr Robert Malone be categorized as an
>>> "antivaxxer". He is the inventor of mRNA vaccination technology. He works
>>> in this field, his purpose in life is to promote things very much
>>> associated with vaccinations. It is very much against his self-interest to
>>> point out limitations in mRNA vaccination technology.
>>>
>>> My answer to your specific question is: if you connect the dots of dr
>>> Robert Malone's explanations and you try to connect the dots of the
>>> explanations in "your" article, I find his explanations more convincing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really don't have a problem if your connecting of the dots leads to a
>>> different conclusion.
>>>
>>> Unless you come up with a good reason to refute this, I'm not going to
>>> discuss this further. How many times must we agree to disagree?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 23:03, Pieter Steenekamp <
>>> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>> dr Robert Malone explains how the Covid vaccine acts totally different
>>> than expected and different than all other vaccines. When a person gets
>>> vaccinated with other vaccines, there is a little bit of invection in the
>>> upper arm and the immune system kicks in, with "all the action" taking
>>> place in the area of the upper arm. On the other hand, with the Covid
>>> vaccine the vaccine particles, very unexpectedly, travels through the who;e
>>> body and "the action" is not limited to the upper arm area. Specifically a
>>> large concentration happens in the ovaries and that scares him very much.
>>> "Your" article reads like an "activists" article. Dr Malone's
>>> explanation sounds to me like a serious scientists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 22:44, ⛧ glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK. What part of Malone's claims are not debunked? Again, I'm having
>>> trouble knowing what you're talking about because you won't be specific.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with disagreeing. But I have no idea what we disagree about!
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 18, 2021 12:36:28 PM PDT, Pieter Steenekamp <
>>> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
>>> >Thank you Glen,
>>> >
>>> >I reread the article you posted
>>> >
>>> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/
>>> >and then I listened to where dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>>> >vaccination technology discusses the potential harm of the Covid
>>> >vaccines:
>>> >The long discussion has been removed, but the following two clips are
>>> >still
>>> >available:
>>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4 and
>>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY
>>> >
>>> >After reviewing this I came to the following conclusion:
>>> >a) I 100% agree with "your" article in that it debunks many of the wild
>>> >conspiracy theories. Thanks for this
>>> >b) In "my" video clips, dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA
>>> >vaccination
>>> >technology, discusses carefully the potential harm of specifically the
>>> >Covid vaccines. Refer to https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ for more about
>>> >him. I
>>> >don't find convincing arguments against these specific points in "your"
>>> >article.
>>> >
>>> >Let me repeat, I am a VERY BIG fan of vaccinations in general and
>>> >specifically of the mRNA vaccination technology. I am really excited
>>> >about
>>> >the potential benefits to humanity of this technology in that it could,
>>> >in
>>> >future, have effective vaccines available against viruses very soon
>>> >after a
>>> >new virus has been identified. Vaccinations have saved many lives the
>>> >last
>>> >half-century or so and mRNA vaccination technology could take the fight
>>> >against virus infections even further.
>>> >
>>> >We all are confronted with data and information and we have to use our
>>> >own
>>> >judgement about what makes sense for ourselves. If you believe "your"
>>> >article debunked what dr. Robert Malone said, fine, I am definitely not
>>> >going to argue with you or try to change your mind.
>>> >
>>> >In my judgement, on the other hand, I don't find convincing arguments
>>> >in
>>> >"your" article debunking what Dr Robert Malone said.
>>> >
>>> >Again, I really appreciate your comments and I really do consider it,
>>> >in
>>> >general I value your judgement, but in this specific case I disagree
>>> >with
>>> >you. But at the end of the day we don't have to agree on how we
>>> >interpret
>>> >the information.
>>> >
>>> >Just on the cost, I was not referring to what it costs me personally. I
>>> >was
>>> >referring to the billions of dollars in taxpayers money big pharma got
>>> >to
>>> >develop the vaccines and the killing they now make to sell it to
>>> >governments.
>>> >
>>> >About stirring the pot, in general I like to do exactly that, yes,
>>> >guilty
>>> >as charged. But in this specific case I am serious about seeking help.
>>> >But
>>> >please don't crucify me if we come to different conclusions on being
>>> >presented with the same information. We can agree to disagree in a very
>>> >positive spirit.
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> glen ⛧
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