[FRIAM] lurking
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Mon Nov 8 17:52:30 EST 2021
On 11/8/21 9:51 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> I suppose they could require players walk through a x-ray machine to
> find neural implants.
>
Or a strong MRI to "rip them out" if they are conducting?
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Monday, November 8, 2021 8:43 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> You would be surprised at what casinos can ban. Maybe even more
> surprised at the, not necessarily AI, software tools they use to
> analyze video feeds and pounce on any kind of statistically
> improbabilities. Most casinos in Vegas have tools, like mandatory side
> bets with very low odds, that erase the near equal odds of blackjack.
>
> The only 'safe' gambling is poker where the house has no direct
> interest in the outcome.
>
> As DES stated, winning is a matter of patience and losing antes only,
> until you get good hand and then skill of playing that hand for
> maximum return — playing less worse than the others at the table.
>
> I am living in Vegas now and playing small tournaments fairly regularly.
>
> davew
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> On 11/7/21 12:02 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>
> There must be some kind of “Back to the future” movie that can
> be made out of this. Doyne Farmer in Vegas all over again,
> but with current-era AI in place of toe-operated computers.
>
> Yah! Surely Casinos can't begin to restrict
> computers(phones)/earbuds, etc. on the gaming floor.
>
> Strange coincidence that my sister went to Kindergarten with Vance
> Packard (Norm's brother) in Silver City long before they all
> became eagle scouts and then the Chaos Cabal. We moved away the
> next year and I doubt I ever met any of them back then. I came
> to LANL just before (I think) Doyne came... I seem to remember
> that Norm was there for a summer... and soon came the (in)famous
> CA conference... As I remember it the game of interest (aside
> from Life, what with Conway in attendance) was GO with a lot of
> speculation about the implications of local vs global
> "intelligence"... I was intrigued by HashLife and it's
> implications for finding structure at many scales... I still hope
> for someone with more follow-through than I have to implement a
> more redundant but "thorough" space-time decomposition (an N-1xN-1
> kernel over the 4 positions at each "zoom" level).
>
> Regarding poker.. I played some low-stakes in college and saw
> there were two things to take in: the main technical skill was
> to simply play less poorly than the other players at the table and
> that was entirely overshadowed by the social-engineering games of
> bluffing, etc. The very simple game-theoretic aspect of not
> depleting your own stake before you catch a "lucky streak" going
> your way was also a good understanding. I played with my "boss"
> and a number of peers at the time and realized that it was more
> about jockeying for position at work and drinking beer than it was
> about winning/losing. I think the most I ever lost/won was on the
> order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2 shifts
> wages... a LOT if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood!
> I still feel that *technically* playing well really means just
> playing less badly. Blackjack being even more obviously so?
>
> Yikes.
>
> On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
> My inclination would be to invest in standoff biometrics
> (e.g. Eulerian Video Amplification) and then find the best
> poker playing code. It ought to be possible to automate
> and perhaps get rich in the process.
>
> *From:*Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com>*On Behalf Of*Eric
> Charles
>
> *Sent:*Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:42 AM
>
> *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
>
> *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> I DID read all the thread so far... but I'm curious how we
> got to one of the starting points: "as cringy as it may be
> for some dork to be proud of their Poker prowess"
>
> I am somewhat satisfied with my Poker mediocrity,
> certainly not proud of it... but if I met someone who was
> ACTUALLY startlingly better than I am, and they were proud
> of that, I wouldn't find it cringy. (Ditto in my other
> hobbies, like Aikido.)
>
> I guess if I met someone who had a slight edge in their
> drunk-buddy home games, and they were super proud of THAT,
> then i would find it cringy. (Ditto someone who's the best
> Aikido student in their small dojo, but who's obviously
> not more than that.)
>
> When I see academic work on game theory, it's usually of
> lower quality than what the good poker players are doing
> these days. Mastering the game is crazy hard, and being
> able to sit down and implement a coherent and winning
> strategy for 40-80 hours a week is not easy. So... why
> would that be cringe?
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, part of the story is knowing what is really needed
> for reproducibility as a function of context.
>
> With that, then there's the matter of how much control
> is afforded. Is it programmable in predictable ways?
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of
> u?l? ?>$
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:20 AM
>
> To:friam at redfish.com
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> Yeah, I agree. But context is Queen. When the virus is
> created in the lab, it's done with real stuff
> distilled from the soupy world. Given enough of a
> difference in context, the robot may not be able to
> re-constitute the life because the soupy world
> surrounding the robot doesn't have the real stuff
> required. Such drastic context changes could be a
> result of translation through space or time. E.g.
> trying to construct, on Mars, an organism
> read/serialized on earth. Or e.g. trying to construct
> an organism read millennia ago, millennia in the
> future. It's naive to talk about "science" as if any
> given read-out formula thereby expressed is
> *complete*. Science is abstraction to a large extent
> ... maybe not as abstracting as math, of course. And
> science must remain "open" precisely because any
> formula it expresses is suspect, perhaps incomplete.
>
> My favorite example is the magic brewing
> stick:https://medievalmeadandbeer.wordpress.com/2019/05/04/scandinavian-yeast-logs-yeast-rings/It
> *was* scientific to lay out the magic stick as a
> critical element of the brewing process, only to
> discover later that the stick isn't the important part.
>
> On 11/2/21 2:39 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> > Even if that were so, viruses have been pulled from
> history or tweaked and created in the lab. So we
> have a design specification, and the means to make
> it. One could imagine a robot fabricating the
> close-to-the-metal machine too. There is a story one
> can write down how it is done. If there is no story,
> it is not science we are talking about, it is
> something else.
>
> --
>
> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with
> a lie."
>
> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
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