[FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks

Fri Nov 12 18:35:33 EST 2021

Hi Steve,

What's "SA"?  Sonora?  The usual abbreviation is "Son", the two-letter code
is "SO".  Or are you referring to something else?

Frank

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On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 4:20 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> I have a friend who cut her teeth as a lawyer (finance) in Hong Kong maybe
> 15 years ago... she has since returned to Australia (via a gig in Japan)
> and *hates* what is happening in HK and can list endlessly the
> friends/colleagues whose lives have been damaged/disrupted by the changes
> there.
>
> This being said, however, it *does* seem like what is happening there is
> the end of a century plus long occupation/colonization.  She and her
> friends/colleagues are all professional/merchant class and none are
> ethnically Chinese.  Not surprising the changes are mostly downside to them?
>
> Juarez, Tijuana, Nogales SA all used to feel like US colonies in many
> ways.   They were "returned" to MX proper to some degree by the War on
> Drugs and the Drug Cartel action and now becoming portals for attempted
> immigration from yet more southerly/impoverished countries.   I have a
> lifelong friend who used to run the Zenith assembly plant in Agua Prieta
> SA...  she would claim that their presence there for several decades was a
> huge boon to the people there, as was their strategic (for Zenith, not the
> local economy) withdrawal.  Of course she saw it that way.   My
> brother-in-law who recently retired as the longest-tenured employee (~50
> years) of Freeport McMorran (who bought him up when they bought up Phelps
> Dodge) would insist that it is all "upside" for the people who once lived
> on the landscape where their mega pit-mines were developed and where their
> private armies (FPM,not PD) were in charge of all the necessary "rousting"
> to get and keep those mines running/expanding/profit-maximized.
>
> But back to Nick's point (or to yet another of my tangents from his
> point)...   the Buddhist phrase "World as battleground, world as trap,
> world as lover, world as self" seems relevant?  If we consider these
> contexts *only* as traps and battlegrounds, that is pretty much what they
> will be.  Stephen G through his former (and some present) work and familial
> relations in China has chose to *also* look at them (country, people,
> government) through the lenses of "Lover" and "Self)?
>
>
> On 11/12/21 12:56 PM, Edward Angel wrote:
>
> We were in Taiwan during their first truly democratic election. The U.S.
> media was filled with dire predictions of imminent war. The reality was
> that no one in Taiwan was worried about an attack. China and Taiwan, in
> spite of the rhetoric, were deeply coupled economically and war would be
> disastrous for both sides. The only evidence the Taiwanese newspapers
> reported in as a result of the “tensions” was an increase in the number of
> prostitutes arriving in Taiwan from Macao and Hong Kong. However, we did
> note that a foreign tourist was arrested for taking down an election banner
> as a souvenir which was regarded as serious offense. I doubt things are
> much different now.
>
> We also spent time in Hong Kong just before and just after it going back
> to China. For a while not much changed and there were restrictions that
> prevented mainland Chinese from entering Hong Kong. At that time, China was
> very dependent on Hong Kong as its economic outlet to the rest of the world
> and didn’t want to threaten that status. It’s very different now as China
> has developed many other outlets and consequently they are willing to treat
> Hong Kong like the rest of China.
>
> Ed
> _______________________
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
> (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home)   angel at cs.unm.edu
> 505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
> On Nov 12, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
> wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> > Is Hong Kong not being digested as we speak?  Is pressure not increasing
> on the Taiwanese?
>
> An orthogonal perspective is healing and unification post-occupation and
> aggression by foreign powers. ie:
>
>    - North/South Vietnam
>    - Manchuria/China
>    - East/West Germany
>    - North/South Korea
>
> I am concerned about US military buildup in Taiwan
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-china-us-marines/2021/10/08/20378918-27d8-11ec-8739-5cb6aba30a30_story.html>
> after agreeing to one china policy
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy> in 1979. How did we feel
> about USSR flexing its muscle in Cuba?
>
> -Stephen
>
> 这就是你想让我说的吗？ 我们现在可以在中国推出我们的软件吗？
>
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