[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

[Steve Smith]

On 10/3/21 9:35 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting.  It seems to mean
> “nugatory”.
>
I would say not.  I see how you could see the relation, but I think SGs
comparison to Physics' "least action" is inspired if not entirely
correct either.  

It would not be inaction or irrelevance, but rather no
wasted/inappropriate/irrelevant action?   "Just this much" is a Buddhist
phrase I've heard that captures a bit of it.

- Steve

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> Nick Thompson
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 4:02 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
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>  
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> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     Just to be clear – and perhaps nerdishly literal minded – I would
>     NEVER claim that word play alone is science; I would only claim
>     that it has a role to play.
>
>      
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>     On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:59 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>          You might help me distinguish between vicious DAWW and
>         virtuous DAWW.  You might exile me.  But you probably won’t
>         get me to stop. 
>
>
>     If we follow the virtuous DAWW, it feels like wuwei
>     <https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?wdqb=c%3A%2A%E6%97%A0%E4%B8%BA%2A&wdrst=0>science
>     to me. Who needs action
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)> when you got
>     words? We are but meat puppets playing with nirvana
>     <https://youtu.be/Sj8UbmdV7bk?t=53>.
>
> Nick, I absolutely see the value in wordplay (DAWW) and do think it's
> an important part of science and mathematics.
>
> I was being perhaps a little too clever in my own mind with my obtuse
> DAWW riff above.  At the risk of over parsing (like the risk of
> explaining a joke)  virtuous DAWW triggered the homophone of the Dao
> (道) and its central concept of wu-wei, which is often inaccurately
> translated as inaction but closer to right action / Least (stationary)
> action in physics for me. 
>
>  
>
> This then triggered lyrics of one of my favorite songs, Plateau
> <https://genius.com/Nirvana-plateau-lyrics> from the Meat Puppets, 
> "who needs action when you got words". To me, the line captures your
> and my relationship where I'm struggling with generalizing the concept
> of Action in Complex Systems and you are working your thoughts out
> with words. I find this a healthy dialogue!
>
>  
>
> And then I couldn't resist sharing the MTV unplugged concert where
> Nirvana covered the Meat Puppets song with one of the Meat Puppets
> playing on stage. The link to Youtube is to that line in the song in
> the performance.  So the literal Meat Puppet playing with Nivana
> mutated to "we are but meat puppets playing with Nirvana" gave me 15
> minutes of interesting private contemplation of a puppet master
> animating our puppets and wooing our puppet minds with Nirvana.
>
>   
> Certainly too obtuse of references and self-indulgent to post but what
> the hell.
>
> So I really do appreciate your DAWW and was just trying to join in and
> play with your dicking. :-)
>
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