[FRIAM] These women might be able to tolerate Friam

Tue Jun 7 11:54:47 EDT 2022

I would also (I probably already said this) be interested in other's 
participation/reactions/review.   I am unable to do what you (DaveW) 
suggest and avoid all critical reading, but I do try to do it in the 
same way I (try to) meditate.   I try to *note* my judgements of what 
I'm reading, put a pin in the judgements, and read forward with the hope 
that either what is rankling me will resolve in further text, or that I 
will obtain a new perspective. Although I feel like I've been (like the 
Red Queen) able to think many impossible thoughts before Breakfast or 
(like Glen) allow a society of homunculii to churn about in the 
background as I read, I do find it hard to be as objective and open as I 
think I would like to be.  At least the parallax offered by others 
alternative *analysis* of things like this helps me to (re) think 
differently than my experience/nature leads me to.

On 6/6/22 9:35 PM, Prof David West wrote:
> The Metaphysical Animals book is, IMO, a pretty dry biography that 
> removes all the passion and the ardor of both the time period and the 
> philosophical arguments. The actual ideas advanced by the four women 
> (and colleagues) are, again IMO, very important and I find them 
> compelling: on their face and because of congruence with the 
> metaphysics of mysticism (Alchemy to Taoism with heavy doses of 
> Buddhism) of which I am so fond.
>
> I did find their rebuttal of Ayers reminiscent of arguments I have 
> made to Nick re: Pierce. That "truth" is what we eventually agree upon 
> is possible only to the extent you are willing to rig the conversation 
> to exclude both 'evidence' and 'advocacy' of contrary positions.  Same 
> notion I posed to Jochem—if you assume physicality and purposely 
> exclude any data points that are not reducible to physical things—then 
> you are simply creating a metaphysical tautology.
>
> On another note: those of you that are reading Graeber's /Dawn of 
> Everything/, it would be fun to have a discussion and share reactions. 
> I found it fascinating. My habit is to absorb, in toto, the data and 
> the arguments, to 'Grok' the totality of the book first and only then 
> apply my critical and analytical faculties to see what lasts. I know 
> most of you read critically from the get-go, and so I would value your 
> input.
>
> Tor those of you not ready to commit to a 500 page tome, /Fragments of 
> an Anarchist Anthropology,/ will provide a kind of overarching thesis 
> statement for /Dawn/.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, at 10:14 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>> I hope FRIAM is not dead yet. It always inspires me. The recent 
>> discussion with Nick for instance inspired me to write this short 
>> blog post today
>> https://blog.cas-group.net/2022/06/the-strange-phenomenon-of-consciousness/
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com>
>> Date: 6/6/22 04:59 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>> <friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] These women might be able to tolerate Friam
>>
>> Or rather, that they could bring FRIAM to life!
>>
>> George Duncan
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>> My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order 
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>>
>>   "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later.
>>   It may then be a valuable delusion."
>>
>> From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn.
>>
>> "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our 
>> truest power." Joanna Macy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 7:33 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/books/review/metaphysical-animals-clare-mac-cumhaill-rachael-wiseman.html?smid=url-share
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