[FRIAM] Philosophy and Science

[glen]

This merely seems like triggered gatekeeping to me. Yeah, sure, working philosophers have skills and behaviors working [insert your favorite other clique] don't have. But, if it's not already obvious, especially to anyone who's had ANY contact with organizations like the SFI, epistemic trespassing can be wildly productive. We're all bad at things we're not good at. >8^D I haven't seen the Tyson rant that seems to have triggered Ramsey. But *leaving someone out* of your cf list is NOT a snub ... despite what the hip-and-trendy might claim. It's merely evidence that any presentation is limited in space and time. My guess is that if you listen to Tyson with a little generosity, you'd hear him make sounds sympathetic to the expertise of the peri-science cliques.

Now, Hawking and Mlodinow's explicit claim that philosophy is dead ... now, that's a different story.

On 7/14/23 08:33, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Joe Ramsey, who took over my job.in <http://job.in> the Philosophy Department at Carnegie Mellon, posted the following on Facebook:
> 
> I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson a lot, but I saw him give a spirited defense of science in which he oddly gave no credit to philosophers at all. His straw man philosopher is a dedicated *armchair* philosopher who spins theories without paying attention to scientific practice and contributes nothing to scientific understanding. He misses that scientists themselves are constantly raising obviously philosophical questions and are often ill-equipped to think about them clearly. What is the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics? What is the right way to think about reductionism? Is reductionism the right way to think about science? What is the nature of consciousness? Can you explain consciousness in terms of neuroscience? Are biological kinds real? What does it even mean to be real? Or is realism a red herring; should we be pragmatists instead? Scientists raise all kinds of philosophical questions and have ill-informed opinions about them. But *philosophers* try to answer them, 
> and scientists do pay attention to the controversies. At least the smart ones do.


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