[FRIAM] new math of complexity

[steve smith]

I find that Michael Levin speaks elaborately and eloquently on the 
code/environment duality in many interesting contexts:

    https://drmichaellevin.org/

On 6/12/24 4:30 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>
> Emergence as a kind of “software in the natural world"? If we mean 
> code by it, then yes, certainly. Every developer knows that each piece 
> of code which is added makes the system more complex. Therefore we 
> usually try to keep it simple. For biological systems it is the DNA 
> code. For cultural systems it is the hidden code people do not want to 
> talk about because everything related to it is sacred (at least for 
> the group which it defines). The knights templar had their own code, 
> the order of the cistercians, the Franciscans and the other religious 
> orders and organizations as well.
>
>
> Cults and sects have their code ( which can be simple political 
> slogans such as "Make Your Country Great Again", "Build the wall" and 
> "Lock them up" or simply "Do not criticize the supreme leader"). 
> Criminal organizations have their code. Ideologies and political 
> parties have their code. Behind every complex organism or organization 
> there seems to be some form of code or DNA that generates and 
> maintains it.
>
>
> Whenever something is happening in nature it is either supper or 
> pairing time. Obviously  because the underlying "selfish" code has 
> created bodies which have the directive to maintain and replicate 
> themselves. If we look at cultural systems, for instance at political 
> conventions or at religious congregations, then we notice that every 
> time something is really happening at a larger scale is that the code 
> becomes active. People come together to read or express laws, rules, 
> guidelines and policies.
>
>
> So I would say yes, if there is a secret then it is the code. 
> Definitely. Is there a new math for it? IMO it is quite hard to 
> formulate the expression of such a code in general mathematically. For 
> example how can you describe mathematically if the speech of a 
> president or party leader or priest has bigger consequences or not? It 
> is at least as complicated as calculating a path integral in Quantum 
> Field Theory.
>
>
> What might be possible is to calculate a probability how a group 
> behavior changes depending how frequent a rule is read, remembered and 
> expressed.
>
>
> -J.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org>
> Date: 6/12/24 8:05 PM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> <Friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: [FRIAM] new math of complexity
>
> Speaking of emergence, any takes on Phillip Ball's article in Quanta?
>
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-new-math-of-how-large-scale-order-emerges-20240610/
>
> I really liked his summary of the current non-explanations for 
> emergence, but I haven't had time to read further.
>
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