[FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.?

Gary Schiltz gary at naturesvisualarts.com
Tue Nov 12 12:10:53 EST 2024


My ship has already sailed, so to speak. Moved to Ecuador 16 years
ago. At this point, I'm not sure the advantages (low cost of living,
year-round springlike temperatures at my altitude of 6500 feet)
outweigh the negatives (crime, unstable government, undependable
police force). But it's home now for better or worse. With Karen's and
my social security combined, we live a middle class life pretty
easily. If that got cut off, we would be up shit creek. And if we
moved back to the states, we would either be in poverty or blow
through the savings in a couple of years, or I'd have to look for
software jobs at 66 years old. Usually people move from the third
world to the USA to escape poverty, and it's ironic that we're here,
partly to avoid poverty. Reverse economic refugees. I think there are
many in this country (mostly in Cuenca) who moved from the USA for
that very reason.

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
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> Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to Europe, for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland
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> https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931
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> If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following article might be interesting. Forbes lists countries welcoming Americans with open arms: Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them
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> https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/
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> I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices simply because of the language.
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> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html
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>
> -J.
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