[FRIAM] Canada Souring on Neoliberal Leaders?

Patrick Reilly patrick.reilly at ipsociety.net
Tue Nov 12 13:33:30 EST 2024


Question for Marcus:

I live in Santa Cruz, CA, and my wife is dual national US/Can, so your
thinking behind this comment could be very helpful to me:

"Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders too.   I think I’ll
cross that one off the list."

Please expand. I'm not aware of either the current PM Justin Trudeau or
Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre (the leading contenders for the
next term of PM) are offering any policies leading away from neoliberal
thinking. Also, are you a fan of neoliberalism?

Or is your concern about BC only?

 BTW, I'm 68 (happily practicing Patent/IP Law as a solo firm) and my wife
is a dual citizen of Canada and the US.  As a total aside, I am US born and
raised and have dual US/EU citizenship.

Any thoughts from any addresses hereto regarding alternative residencies
would be most welcome.

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On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 10:11 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
wrote:

> When we moved to the Bay Area, expenses did go up compared to Santa Fe.
>
> However, our combined and individual incomes both went up more.
> Whatever disadvantages exist here, I can’t imagine giving that up.  In
> contrast, a colleague moved to London, and they cut his salary by 30% while
> his housing costs stayed about the same.  The ideal thing would be to be a
> digital nomad and keep a coastal blue state income.   In 2018 or so I was
> thinking about BC as an option.   But Canada also has significantly lower
> salaries, and it was a better income to work remote in the U.S. for a
> Canadian company.  Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders
> too.   I think I’ll cross that one off the list.
>
>
>
> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Gary Schiltz <
> gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 9:11 AM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.?
>
> My ship has already sailed, so to speak. Moved to Ecuador 16 years
> ago. At this point, I'm not sure the advantages (low cost of living,
> year-round springlike temperatures at my altitude of 6500 feet)
> outweigh the negatives (crime, unstable government, undependable
> police force). But it's home now for better or worse. With Karen's and
> my social security combined, we live a middle class life pretty
> easily. If that got cut off, we would be up shit creek. And if we
> moved back to the states, we would either be in poverty or blow
> through the savings in a couple of years, or I'd have to look for
> software jobs at 66 years old. Usually people move from the third
> world to the USA to escape poverty, and it's ironic that we're here,
> partly to avoid poverty. Reverse economic refugees. I think there are
> many in this country (mostly in Cuenca) who moved from the USA for
> that very reason.
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
> >
> > Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to
> Europe, for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland
> >
> > https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931
> >
> >
> > If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following
> article might be interesting. Forbes lists countries welcoming Americans
> with open arms: Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them
> >
> >
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/
> >
> >
> > I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices
> simply because of the language.
> >
> >
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html
> >
> >
> > -J.
> >
> >
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