[FRIAM] Canada Souring on Neoliberal Leaders?

Tue Nov 12 14:03:00 EST 2024

My sense is that Poilievre is like Trump in that he uses simplified messaging and populist tactics to appeal to voters, and that there is an appetite for that. I haven’t been following Canadian news for a few years, though. When I did, my impression was that the reactionaries in BC sounded like reactionaries in the United States. The population is bigger in the United States and there are more guns, so the tail is a little heavier here for realizing full-on crazy. 

Sure, I’ll take neoliberalism and globalism over populism and economic nationalism. A little more democratic socialism would be welcome here but need higher taxes to make it real. 

Marcus 

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Patrick Reilly <patrick.reilly at ipsociety.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 10:34 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: [FRIAM] Canada Souring on Neoliberal Leaders? 

Question for Marcus: 

I live in Santa Cruz, CA, and my wife is dual national US/Can, so your thinking behind this comment could be very helpful to me: 

"Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders too. I think I’ll cross that one off the list." 

Please expand. I'm not aware of either the current PM Justin Trudeau or Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre (the leading contenders for the next term of PM) are offering any policies leading away from neoliberal thinking. Also, are you a fan of neoliberalism? 

Or is your concern about BC only? 

BTW, I'm 68 (happily practicing Patent/IP Law as a solo firm) and my wife is a dual citizen of Canada and the US. As a total aside, I am US born and raised and have dual US/EU citizenship. 

Any thoughts from any addresses hereto regarding alternative residencies would be most welcome. 

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On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 10:11 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote: 

When we moved to the Bay Area, expenses did go up compared to Santa Fe. 
However, our combined and individual incomes both went up more. Whatever disadvantages exist here, I can’t imagine giving that up. In contrast, a colleague moved to London, and they cut his salary by 30% while his housing costs stayed about the same. The ideal thing would be to be a digital nomad and keep a coastal blue state income. In 2018 or so I was thinking about BC as an option. But Canada also has significantly lower salaries, and it was a better income to work remote in the U.S. for a Canadian company. Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders too. I think I’ll cross that one off the list. 

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <_blank>> on behalf of Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com <_blank>>
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 9:11 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <_blank>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.? 

My ship has already sailed, so to speak. Moved to Ecuador 16 years
ago. At this point, I'm not sure the advantages (low cost of living,
year-round springlike temperatures at my altitude of 6500 feet)
outweigh the negatives (crime, unstable government, undependable
police force). But it's home now for better or worse. With Karen's and
my social security combined, we live a middle class life pretty
easily. If that got cut off, we would be up shit creek. And if we
moved back to the states, we would either be in poverty or blow
through the savings in a couple of years, or I'd have to look for
software jobs at 66 years old. Usually people move from the third
world to the USA to escape poverty, and it's ironic that we're here,
partly to avoid poverty. Reverse economic refugees. I think there are
many in this country (mostly in Cuenca) who moved from the USA for
that very reason.

On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net <_blank>> wrote:
>
> Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to Europe, for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland
>
> https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931 <_blank>
>
>
> If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following article might be interesting. Forbes lists countries welcoming Americans with open arms: Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/ <_blank>
>
>
> I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices simply because of the language.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html <_blank>
>
>
> -J.
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