[FRIAM] nice quote

[Frank Wimberly]

And pithy.
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On Sat, Oct 5, 2024, 11:27 AM Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> So in what sense and for what purposes is this pithy aphorism useful?
> What exactly is the pith?
>
> If a metaphor, what is truth in the metaphor, the positive analog.
> Nobody ever said that all metaphors are *entirely* wrong.
>
> and yes, I am being pissy.
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> On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 11:04 AM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
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>> All *Pithy Aphorisms* are wrong, some are useful?
>>
>> On 10/5/24 9:06 AM, Prof David West wrote:
>>
>> my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical reading, not a
>> literal one. Something akin to Steve's differential rates of evolution. I
>> also would have eschewed 'god like' in favor of 'magical' ala Clarke's
>> dictum about any sufficiently advanced technology.
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>
>> I think that this way of talking about emotions precludes careful
>> thought.   First of all, neurologizing emotions is just to hide the pea
>> under the wrong thimble. I don't think paleolithologizig helps much more.
>> Glen is correct that, whatever an emotion is, its inputs  and outputs are
>> ontogenetically and culturally determined.  So, fear, for instance, is a
>> relation between something that we take to be threatening and something
>> that we hope will be avoidance. Inputs and outputs are everything. The rest
>> is  just arousal.
>>
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>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 7:01 PM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Emotions/Limbic systems evolve at genetic rates, institutions evolve at
>> social/cultural rates (maybe the fastest significant change can
>> happen/resolve is in multiple lifetimes?) but technology is advancing at
>> must faster rates?
>>
>> Or is this wrong(headed) also?
>>
>> On 10/4/24 3:43 PM, glen wrote:
>> > None of that is true, however romantic it might sound. Depending on
>> > how one defines "emotion", that smells the most true. But the
>> > mechanisms of emotion are as coupled to current reality as is every
>> > part of our bodies. To suggest that, say, the Space Force or methods
>> > like quantitative easing are medieval is just nonsense. Technology is
>> > more democratized than it has ever been. Granted, it takes (a lot) of
>> > work to familiarize oneself with something like how GPS works or how
>> > to NOT click on that phishing email. But to suggest that it's
>> > "godlike" says more about the person than it does about the state of
>> > technology.
>> >
>> > On 10/4/24 11:16, Prof David West wrote:
>> >> /"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic
>> >> emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology. And it is
>> >> terrifically dangerous."/ Edward O. Wilson.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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